Thanks for the data points, @feesh. That’s why I was asking @Kieran_Levin about the wording of the OP.
I did a smaller 3-hour test pre- & post-update on the Linux side with 1 DP + 3 USB C cards and found no difference in power draw. Still a 70% increase over 4 USB C cards.
Less scientifically, I think there was about 0.3 W improvement with the DP card inserted and the computer at resting state (10% brightness, WiFi on, same # of browser tabs and apps/windows open).
But as we’ve all noted, it’s the draw during suspend of the non-USB C cards on the 11th gen machines that’s a real battery-life killer - especially compared to competing laptops. If I’m going to be plugged, then I don’t mind keeping a non-USB C card inserted.
Since I installed 3.17 a few days ago, I’ve been having some intermittent charging/battery issues.
Just now, my battery was at 50% and the laptop was plugged in. I unplugged the charger, and the battery immediately dropped to 2%, forcing the laptop into sleep mode. Upon plugging the charger back in, the battery immediately jumped back up to 51%. I then unplugged the charger and the battery stayed at 51%.
Also, this morning when I went to turn on my laptop, it immediately shut off due to low battery (which I thought was weird considering it was about half full last night). So, I plugged it in, and when it booted the battery said 60%.
Sleep seems to be worse on Fedora for me? Might just be not enough testing though. >30% drain in 6 hours of sleep (and me sleeping). Windows is also entering hibernate a lot faster, I’ll run sleep study later.
That a bit wierd. What OS are you using?
Have you powered of completley? I.e. not have the quick start under power options. If you are not sure do not do a power off but a Restart which resets this and that.
Also try changing the Battery Charge Limit in the BIOS. I notice it reset mine from 78% to 100% not that I have any problem.
I am using Arch Linux. I set the charge limit to 80% immediately after installing the update (as well as disabling the fingerprint reader and PS2 mouse emulation) but otherwise did not adjust any BIOS settings. I did try powering off completely, but the issue hasn’t happened apart from the two instances I mentioned, so it’s hard to say for sure if that helped. I’ll definitely post here if it happens again.
Another report:
3.10 (3.16) → 3.17 from Fedora 36 LVFS. Update went smoothly (updating from 100% plugged in worked. NVRAM boot variables were reset, so I had to re-setup those.)
Shortly after, I updated to Fedora 37. All seems fine so far.
With the “testing” remote enabled in my fwupd configuration I got the 3.17 BIOS installed last night. The Gnome “Software” app saw it and did the install for me(Fedora 37). So far so good. Per the usual I went into the bios afterward to reconfigure the charging limit.
Successful update from 3.10 to 3.17 in EndeavourOS (arch linux) via fwupdmgr. As usual, NVRAM got erased, but having rEFInd in my EFI fallback boot location ( esp/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI ) meant that I did not even have to do the F3 trick to chainload my original rEFInd installation.
Since I upgraded the BIOS to 3.10 I also upgraded Fedora to 37. I just booted up with the latest kernel from updates-testing, 6.0.11-300.fc37 Starting this morning after the F37 upgrade I noticed this new error (first time in journalctl during the past year):
[ +0.052642] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve symbol [\_TZ.ETMD], AE_NOT_FOUND (20220331/psargs-330)
[ +0.000006] ACPI Error: Aborting method \_SB.IETM._OSC due to previous error (AE_NOT_FOUND) (20220331/psparse-529)
Nothing seems obviously broken, but I don’t know how to interpret these ACPI errors.
@feesh have you tried doing a full bios reset after the update? I don’t fully remember the process, it’s on here somewhere, you do a battery disconnect in the bios and then physically unplug the battery and plug the charger in and then the lights blink red you can plug things back in and boot… anyways when I updated from 3.07 to 3.10 the battery drained like crazy still, but after the reset I mentioned above things where fixed. This may help with the update to 3.17 as well, just a thought.
Potential issue with this update. This morning, plugging a flash drive into a USB-A port on my laptop was not detected. Did it a few times and eventually it came up. The flash drive worked first go on my work laptop. Never had this problem before. Only difference was the recent BIOS update.
Hopefully just a fluke, but putting it out there for awareness.
Hmm, I reproduced what looks like the same thing here.
I only have one USB-A adapter, normally I use that to connect an older USB hub which then “carries” an external USB keyboard and a scanner.
I unplugged that:
[39123.036330] usb 3-3: USB disconnect, device number 2
[39123.036339] usb 3-3.3: USB disconnect, device number 4
[39123.126675] usb 3-3.4: USB disconnect, device number 6
and plugged in a flash drive. I got this on several attempts:
[39135.649747] usb usb3-port3: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
[39137.225844] usb usb3-port3: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
[39137.225995] usb usb3-port3: attempt power cycle
[39138.865786] usb usb3-port3: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
[39140.649889] usb usb3-port3: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
[39140.650068] usb usb3-port3: unable to enumerate USB device
Then I unplugged the USB A adapter and plugged it back in (same port). Then the flash drive started being recognized. Note the difference in USB identifier/enumeration(?):
[39230.276500] usb 2-2: new SuperSpeed USB device number 3 using xhci_hcd
[39230.288957] usb 2-2: New USB device found, idVendor=1f75, idProduct=0917, bcdDevice= 0.01
[39230.288966] usb 2-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[39230.288969] usb 2-2: Product: USB DISK
[39230.288971] usb 2-2: Manufacturer:
[39230.288973] usb 2-2: SerialNumber: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[39230.290940] usb-storage 2-2:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
[39230.291228] scsi host1: usb-storage 2-2:1.0
[39231.300389] scsi 1:0:0:0: Direct-Access 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
[39231.300950] sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
[39231.301170] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] 30310400 512-byte logical blocks: (15.5 GB/14.5 GiB)
[39231.301396] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[39231.301404] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00
[39231.301650] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: disabled, read cache: disabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[39231.303903] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3
[39231.304332] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
@Kieran_Levin I can not seem to update via LVFS or EFI/USB due to the fact that no battery is connected to the mainboard. How to update standalone boards?
