This is amazingly cool. Great work!
Now that’s neat, if you can keep the price somewhat reasonable I definitely want one.
The older usb2 version of this one is already extremely useful.
Considering the chip alone is 45USD, probably would be around 70USD as a BOM cost, plus whatever profit Jack wants, so probably 140-200USD (Based on a 2-3x cost which is fairly standard for small volume production)
The chip is actually only $14 ($10 in volume)! It’s just severely marked up by digikey/mouser/etc for some reason.
I’m not sure what the total BOM cost will be, but it will likely be closer to $40. I’ll have a better idea once I finalize the design and start building prototypes.
The reason is usually that digikey and mouser for example are qualified distributors so you have traceability on your parts and get guaranteed genuine ones. If you don’t care about that you’re fine to buy parts from LCSC (if you care even less you can also use eBay). LCSC is most likely good enough in most cases but for mission critical stuff I’d rather go to digikey/mouser or other qualified distributors.
Having the part at lcsc massively helps if you want to use jlcpcb to habe the boards asembled.
I’ve found some more suitable headers for the inputs.
I’m using the layout that most logic analyzers use, with a inputs on the top row and ground son the row below. That means I need 32 pins in total, which I’m splitting between two 16-pin connectors.
Many logic analyzers use two rows of 2.54mm headers for their I/O. This is really nice because it’s a standard and everyone has them sitting around. However, it’s far too big to fit in an expansion card slot. Instead, I’ve opted for a 1.27mm pitch header, which fits with a standard 1.27mm pitch IDC connector for the probe leads.
I’m fine getting passives/small components from LCSC, but definitely not the main IC, only time I would purchase a chip from LCSC is if it’s the only distributor of that specific chip.
Watching with interest! Although I don’t really have concrete use for a logic analyser built right into the laptop, I’d probably get one just for the fun of it And who knows, it might come handy one day.
And when you’re done with this, can you please design a 4-channel 100 MHz scope to fit in the other expansion bay next to the LA? Thanks!
I believe this is not possible with currently available technology (I would love to be proven wrong though!). I could maybe manage a 2-channel 10MHz scope, but I don’t think that would be incredibly useful.
I personally wouldn’t turn my nose up at a 2 channel 10Mhz scope. I’d kill for it in a pinch. But the LA would be fantastic right now
It was a joke, but thanks for the serious answer anyway - one never knows how much the technology has advanced. I guess there aren’t FPGAs powerful and small enough, and the analogue front-end takes up quite a bit of space too…
But still, I agree with @Taylor_Young that for hobby/DIY use, even a 2 channel 10 MHz scope would be pretty useful!
And by the way, I read you have several expansion card projects in the works - is there a simple way to keep track of them? Thanks!
Currently I’m only working on this one. I’ll make additional posts if/when I make more.
It’s actually the analog front ends that are the issue - there’s some incredibly tiny and very capable FPGAs out there, but fast enough ADCs along with attenuation/pre-amplification circuitry that performs well at 100MHz takes up a good amount of space.
In comparison, the logic analyzer only needs some level shifters between the input signal and the MCU.
I just received an FX3 dev kit to do some prototyping before I order finalize the PCB design.
If everything works as expected, I should be able to build the first version of the expansion card in the coming months!
I have the same dev kit
Would it be possible to chain up to four of your modules to get more available channels than 16? Some clock sync between the modules? I have a project where I need to monitor 40 digital signals.
I’m not sure if you could accurately synchronize then over USB, but if you had a common clock signal split off to each one you could certainly sync up the signals after capturing them. That’s a feature that exists in some logic analyzers already, but it will probably be a while before mine does that (seeing as I haven’t even started building hardware!)
For that many signals you’re probably better off using a dedicated logic analyzer connected over USB rather than a framework laptop with mini logic analyzers in three of its expansion slots.
Would be better off using the FW16 with the expansion bay where you probably could achieve that using the PCIe interface that is exposed.
And leaving out alott of other folks. Theres always a “better” way, or faster, or more sync options. I could also just save up, and buy a certified, calibrated, official well known brand logic analyser. But having small dongles would be cool. Not saying no to a pcie version, but would that not also complicate the interface and driver requirements?