Just now saw a jaw dropping video about actnano spray that is already used to protect from water electrical parts of cars and of the payment terminals:
Video shows some of their expositions on the recent SEC - laptops immersed in water while being turned on, or working under the stream of water
This looks extremely impressive and the the cited cost is $1 per machine during the construction
Can you please look into this?
If true - I would LOVE to have such impressive laptop as an upgrade in a couple of years.
It seems that company like framework can be exactly the company that takes on the technology that aims at keeping laptops working for longer
Also check out the complete 54 minute interview with actnano’s CEO Taymur Ahmad:
I know this isn’t going to be an overnight change for the overall assembly process, but I think all the needed changes would be relatively extremely cheap (hopefully) compared to any other systematic change to manufacturing, assembly, and shipping.
Just want to mention that this is primarily a user forum. Framework staff doesn’t often respond directly to feature requests here. Just wanted you to know in the event that happens.
But I think Framework does keep an eye on new developments in tech that can be useful, so if something turns out to be legit, and without hidden or conveniently glossed over issues, then they’ll probably see it on their own. The FWL16 was one of the first 240W USB PD capable laptops.
Any interest in making framework laptop waterproof? I’d advise framework laptop checkout nanoproof. If framework can make their laptop waterproof I’d buy one right now, and recommend framework laptop to all my friends.
please please consider this haha. or at least offer an option to get the water proof PCB.
Does anyone have more knowledge about this, possible drawbacks?
(I’m always sceptic is something sounds a bit too good …)
Effect on thermals?
Longterm chemical stability?
Any effect on other sealings, plastic parts etc?
How does it work on connections, do you have to reapply it every time you open and close a connector?
Actual market price?
Any Toxicity?
Any problems for possible later board-level repairs?
Any environmental damage possible (thinking of PFAS-like chemicals)?
If there really are no significant drawbacks, that would be a great thing!
Even if it doesn’t work perfectly, just lowering the amount of corrosion with water damage enough that repair is less cost intensive would be good.
It’s nice to see someone list out protential problems and questions.
That’s the thing with these flashy supposed new tech media drops. It’s honestly just more likely they are hiding, sorry, glossing over very important issues, which may be absolutely deal breaking or make it just pure vapor-ware BS. Part of it is a problem with the current “news” media looking for anything flashy to sell clicks, regardless of the quality. Most of these tech media drops are just meant to attract investment funds, not as demoistrations of currently fully practical solutions.
The Frore Systems AirJet “solid-state” air blower is one of them. The thing is not practical for a laptop (power requirements much too high).
Until a new tech is actually annouced by a major laptop company that it will used, none of this stuff is worth a moment of anyones’s time.
I’m going off of the CEO’s claims in the the interview. I watched it last week, so I might not recall everything perfectly.
Per the CEO, none, or at least nothing significant.
Should be fine as it’s in several cars, like Teslas, Volvos, etc.
Not mentioned in the interview, but I would assume no, since it’s in the hand-held payment systems.
I’m not entirely sure.
It has to be reapplied to the regions that were worked on but can be done by hand.
Adds a dollar to everything that is waterproofed. As for the investment and installation cost, that wasn’t mentioned, or is presumably included by assuming it will be spread out in the cost of each application.
CEO claims no PFAS and the absences of another chemical that is ineffective yet ages the applicators. The CEO claims that he used to drink a glass of water with the solution by Actnano in demonstrations before potential clients/investors.
Need independent testing of the claims. A company just can not be trusted to not hide gloss over issues. Even if it is being used in some products, we don’t know that there aren’t issues. Could just not affect those particular products enough, have been just worked around for them, or the trade-offs that the issues bring are worth it for them.
If everything truly is as they claim & there are no issues, then I’m sure it will make its way to laptops from major manufacturers, and Framework as well.
Exactly. It’s important to apply common sense where needed and I’m sure these companies and Framework can perform tests to verify the CEO’s claims. Compared to startups that claim to have a working products with no due diligence from investors whom are throwing money their way, Actnano is selling their products to clients who are expecting their product to work. A car manufacturer has probably worked out the Ford Pinto math and decided it’s cheaper to use Actnano’s product than risk litigation from precariously endangering their customers whose car might stop working in the rain and lead them in a fatal crash.
I agree with you, but therein lies the rub. With Framework, I think it’s just a matter of bringing it to the team’s attention so that they can independently verify and evaluate the practicality of waterproofing (or diet coke -proofing) components. As for other laptop manufacturers, they might not be as interested given how the industry favors planned obsolescence as the Actnano CEO said that he spoke with another CEO whose company sells laptops and said that 20% of their quarterly sales are for laptops that are replaced from liquid damage. If consumers and/or activist investors put pressure on these companies, they might integrate Actnano’s products.
Conformal coating for pcbs isn’t exactly a new invention and is widely used where practical but somehow even in toughbooks that are meant and certified for extreme environments where there isn’t really an incentive for “planned obsolescence” there doesn’t seem to be conformal coating on the mainboard which gives me reason to think there may be other reasons for not using them.
Also don’t give manufacturers too funny ideas, next we get fully potted laptops for liquid resistance (and not to make repair an absolute pain in the ass XD)
