# Are you keeping your Framework laptop? **URL:** \ **Category:** Framework Laptop 13\ **Created:** [May 5, 2022, 10:39pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264 "2022-05-05T22:39:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Paulie420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/paulie420/32/1152_2.png) [@Paulie420](https://community.frame.work/u/Paulie420)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 1:21am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/96 "2022-06-29T01:21:32Z")
> [@Sterling\_Mitchell](#): > > I’m dumping mine. Honestly it’ll either go back to Framework if they want it or I’ll probably destroy it. I was really excited about the concept of the laptop and bought in hoping to drive that concept forward. It feels like Framework doesn’t give any hint of a roadmap forward though so it’s tough to feel the machine is worth keeping on the off chance they do offer upgrades. I joined their discord to chat and see what was up in the near future after seeing some benchmarks pop up, ended up ran off by some “experts” who weren’t happy that some of us like me might want a little more than what we currently already own and anticipated that would be possible with a concept like the Framework laptop. Ended with several users mocking me while the mods scolded me for asking for their assistance. With that experience, I’m capital D done with Framework and don’t even want to open their laptop anymore. All in all, a cruddy way to end a journey with a great concept of a machine that has scared off this user to the point of not even wanting the machine in their home. I couldn’t disagree more. Not bashing you at all, but I feel like Frame.work is doing a GREAT job showing us their roadmap, and implementing things the right way - not trying to rush… this year we got open source firmware, new hinges, new CPU options, open marketplace, BIOS upgrades and full transparency. This machine was never meant to satisfy power-users, and the fact that Frame.work has been so open with the BIOS, firmware and github - that I’m here for the long run. pAULIE42o . . . . . . . . . /s ---
**Author:** ![oxplot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/oxplot/32/880_2.png) [@oxplot](https://community.frame.work/u/oxplot)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 3:26am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/97 "2022-06-29T03:26:25Z")
Framework’s mission emphasizes longevity and long term utility. As for the near term, it’s definitely not the most polished or trouble free experience (I’ve had to spend a solid few days to tune everything and still have some issues). But as I look past a few month from now, and given the progress of Framework towards opening up design files, firmware and more, I can only see continued improvements of my existing purchase and ever more control and customization capabilities as time goes on. Through the above lens, it’s probably the best laptop out there. I’m planning to keep this laptop for a decade (as I did my last laptop). The real advantage of Framework will be realized well before then. ---
**Author:** ![shogun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/shogun/32/1258_2.png) [@shogun](https://community.frame.work/u/shogun)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/98 "2022-06-29T21:09:45Z")
I’m planning to get a new Framework then keep the 1st gen batch 3 as is. The 1st gen could be a collector’s item after many years. ---
**Author:** ![Comfy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Comfy](https://community.frame.work/u/Comfy)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 1:43am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/99 "2022-06-30T01:43:59Z")
I’m definitely keeping my 1st gen batch 4. Firmware and Linux support have matured to the point where I have no major complaints and I’m optimistic that my minor complaints will get resolved over time as well. I use it every day and it suits my needs just fine. I’m probably skipping the Alder Lake upgrade, though I do plan to get one of the CNC top covers and maybe the stiffer hinges. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Schofield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/51bf81/32.png) [@Peter\_Schofield](https://community.frame.work/u/Peter_Schofield)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 10:32am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/100 "2022-06-30T10:32:20Z")
Definitely keeping, won’t be getting any new intel offerings though. Hinges are currently OK but may end up needing replacement in a few years if they loosen over time. I may possibly do the machined top cover at some point as well. TBH I never wanted an intel cpu computer at all, and I certainly didn’t need a new laptop, but I felt that the ideals and mission of Framework are worthy of support. ---
**Author:** ![N.P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6f9a4e/32.png) [@N.P](https://community.frame.work/u/N.P)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/102 "2022-06-30T19:43:39Z")
Keeping mine. I was on the waiting list for months in batch 1 and it met all my expectations. While I kept my previous laptop as a hedge against the Framework failing me, I’ve only used it a handful of times over the past 11 months. I’m also glad to see upgraded parts being marketed now, such as the stiffer hinges, and new motherboards/CPUs. I think this is proof that Framework is staying true to mission, and I’m thrilled. That said, I would really like to next see a larger laptop with a better keyboard as a sophomore outing. If that happens in the next year, I will show up and get on that wait-list as well. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Hoyle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ea5d25/32.png) [@Paul\_Hoyle](https://community.frame.work/u/Paul_Hoyle)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 8:57pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/104 "2022-06-30T20:57:20Z")
Sadly my laptop will be going back, as I’m running Windows and i can’t get it to play sound to my TV through the HDMI. I have tried 3 different HDMI sockets, non of them will do it. But my old laptop works fine with HDMI to my Sony TV. 😥 ---
**Author:** ![Usernames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/usernames/32/40546_2.png) [@Usernames](https://community.frame.work/u/Usernames)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/106 "2022-06-30T21:12:38Z")
He [has](http://community.frame.work/t/hdmi-audio-output/9523/10) sadly no resolution. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Hoyle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ea5d25/32.png) [@Paul\_Hoyle](https://community.frame.work/u/Paul_Hoyle)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/107 "2022-06-30T21:21:25Z")
Well i have 3 different HDMI sockets, and 3 different HDMI cards. Non of them will work. 4 diffent leads. All sockets on the TV and leads work fine with my old laptop. Yes i reached out to Framework. They sent me another laptop, but that didn’t solve it. I’ve been trying for months. ---
**Author:** ![N.P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6f9a4e/32.png) [@N.P](https://community.frame.work/u/N.P)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/108 "2022-06-30T23:43:38Z")
> [@anon81945988](#): > > I don’t think that’s on the drawing board. I’m not privy to inside info, just stating what I’d like to see next. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ImaxinarDM](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/imaxinardm/32/1860_2.png) [@ImaxinarDM](https://community.frame.work/u/ImaxinarDM)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 3:22am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/109 "2022-07-01T03:22:23Z")
> [@Paul\_Hoyle](#): > > i can’t get it to play sound to my TV through the HDMI. Weird, I do this with my Framework and multiple different TV’s all the time. Last week I was sending Zoom **audio** /video to a HDMI TV & OBS preview video to 2 others (mine & presenter) at the same time. 4 video outputs at once. But I do have to make sure that I am plugged into the right input on the TV’s and use my own cable that I know works for video / audio properly. Have you checked out (or created) a thread about this or talked to Support. ---
**Author:** ![Paulie420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/paulie420/32/1152_2.png) [@Paulie420](https://community.frame.work/u/Paulie420)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 4:25am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/110 "2022-07-01T04:25:59Z")
> [@oxplot](#): > > Through the above lens, it’s probably the best laptop out there. I’m planning to keep this laptop for a decade (as I did my last laptop). The real advantage of Framework will be realized well before then. and theres the real pull to framework. a decade down the line - they have funding, too… i think we’re gonna make it!!! ---
**Author:** ![2disbetter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/2disbetter/32/1176_2.png) [@2disbetter](https://community.frame.work/u/2disbetter)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 5:28am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/111 "2022-07-01T05:28:41Z")
The keyboard on the Framework laptop really is excellent. I can type consistently 10 wpm faster on it just because of how well spaced it is. The extra travel space they gave us really pays off in having some positive feedback that you have indeed pushed the key. Really love it and it was something I wasn’t really expecting to be that good. ---
**Author:** ![Second\_Coming](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/second_coming/32/29330_2.png) [@Second\_Coming](https://community.frame.work/u/Second_Coming)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 5:40am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/112 "2022-07-01T05:40:31Z")
> [@2disbetter](#): > > The keyboard on the Framework laptop really is excellent. Yeah, I feel the same when it comes to the keyboard. It definitely is one of the better ones in the thin & light space…probably in the top three. Just need a Fn lock indicator. …and spare keycaps from the marketplace some time later. (Don’t want to replace the keyboard section if I don’t have to) The icing on the cake would be dedicated navigation keys (home, end, pg up, pg down, delete, insert). But that’s not going to happen comfortably on any 14 inch. So I’m happy with the compromise here. If Framework ever release a 15/16 inch in the future…please consider the Omen 15 keyboard layout as an option? With another option being with numpad (for the 15/16 inch variant). i.e. Numpad or (home, end, pg up, pg down, delete, insert) keys. ---
**Author:** ![Usernames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/usernames/32/40546_2.png) [@Usernames](https://community.frame.work/u/Usernames)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 6:22am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/113 "2022-07-01T06:22:11Z")
> [@Second\_Coming](#): > > But that’s not going to happen comfortably on any 14 inch. So I’m happy with the compromise here. Respectfully disagree there, if it was a 14" for sure there would be the space but even with current sizing. ![fn light 2 thirds arrow+16 fn row keys](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/framework3/original/2X/3/3809a44b1495fe8ca58ea098bbacc7a2b04b3cfe.png) Here is a 14" HP x360 ![hp x360 covertable](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/framework3/original/2X/0/0a02586f59b800822f972ac3c1848c8e24403266.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Second\_Coming](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/second_coming/32/29330_2.png) [@Second\_Coming](https://community.frame.work/u/Second_Coming)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 6:36am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/114 "2022-07-01T06:36:19Z")
Personally, for those 6 keys, I have a preference on the traditional 3x2 layout. i.e. key placement falls under the comfortable umbrella…especially when switching between full size desktop keyboards. ---
**Author:** ![Usernames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/usernames/32/40546_2.png) [@Usernames](https://community.frame.work/u/Usernames)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 6:51am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/115 "2022-07-01T06:51:19Z")
> [@Second\_Coming](#): > > traditional 3x2 layout. i.e. key placement falls under the comfortable umbrella Not exactly sure what you mean there, is the FW KB currently in this category? If it is then my edit above is too because all that is changed there is the top row, the right shift key and the arrow keys. ---
**Author:** ![Second\_Coming](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/second_coming/32/29330_2.png) [@Second\_Coming](https://community.frame.work/u/Second_Coming)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 6:56am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/116 "2022-07-01T06:56:06Z")
> [@Usernames](#): > > Not exactly sure what you mean there, ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/framework3/original/2X/9/97909702a32aae36ef63bf6d29e94ee7a3fa6e9c.png) ---
**Author:** ![Usernames](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/usernames/32/40546_2.png) [@Usernames](https://community.frame.work/u/Usernames)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 7:10am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/117 "2022-07-01T07:10:09Z")
I see, desktop KB style cluster. Well like you said that is never happening on this size. There is however IMO space to make them present and usable. ---
**Author:** ![Second\_Coming](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/second_coming/32/29330_2.png) [@Second\_Coming](https://community.frame.work/u/Second_Coming)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 7:24am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264/118 "2022-07-01T07:24:14Z")
Yeah…dreaming of a 15/16 inch Framework option. Most have a numpad, some has layout like the HP Omen 15. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/framework3/original/2X/b/b823c07df5f8bc4cef405ac69ba0b4bfc2e1b2f3.jpeg) Now, also, imagine if the keyboard is swappable from the input cover, like some Dell Precisions and Lenovo ThinkPads…thereby giving you two options; with numpad, or with the above layout. That would be a first in the laptop industy. Currently, the 14 inch Framework laptop’s input cover is machined in such a way that the keyboard layout is part of the input cover. IMO, the relatively more ideal way to handle this (when we have 15/16 inch units) is to separate the keyboard layout machining, from the input cover machining. Like this: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/framework3/original/2X/5/5931f5b082b8132b54e64f274aeda6787b77629a.jpeg) The other thing that seems to be missing on the current Framework laptop is the slanted numpad with numlock. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/framework3/original/2X/7/7aa3fa46d46e66349c537d1feec8ebfeb3c14cd0.jpeg) [Previous page](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264.md?page=4) [Next page](https://community.frame.work/t/are-you-keeping-your-framework-laptop/18264.md?page=6)