ARM CPUs please

Framework is open to working with other vendors to provide third party mainboards. I previously suggested Pine64. Alternatively, maybe someone in the Raspberry Pi community can work to bring the RPi5 compute model with a carrier board that works with the Framework chassis.

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For the hardware level, I am not sure about it.

I hope they make a Deal with Qualcomm, the Snapdragon Elite X looks super promising and would help with power supply and consumption!

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I love to see Framework Laptop with Linux options based on Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite X.

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I’ll believe the Elite X hype when I see it. Qualcomm doesn’t have a good track record in this market.

From what I’m hearing, while the design of the core is quite good thanks to their Nuvia acquisition, Qualcomm has made some business decisions that may make it difficult for this product to compete; requiring OEMs to use inefficient power regulation components in an attempt to seemingly force some vertical integration.

I’m looking forward to market developments once Qualcomm’s exclusivity deal with Microsoft expires in 2024 (I believe).

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i agree with the general scepticism, but their own announcement talks about “leading OEMs” so i would assume there are a lot of negotiations under the hood. after all if the hype is somehow real if you’re dell you’d want in too. given how framework was comparatively fast at getting their hands on an unreleased new amd line of cpus (wide availability is a different story) i would not doubt that they’ve also been monitoring the situation.

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I don’t think framework is that fast. Don’t forget that they haven’t announced Intel Meteor Lake 13/16 yet.

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RK3588 supposedly is half the speed of Apple M1 on multi-core
As for single core, I read its above a 1/3 of the speed of M1 and less than a 1/2 of the speed of M1. Somewhere between those two.

I read a benchmark that suggested this. RK3588 is being looked at already by a specific modular project called MNT Reform. Yes, that team has interest in it.

They might even make it work on the pocket version I hear.

Unrelated yes, but I guess my point is, the RK3588 has potential here for laptop use.

Its 2x the speed of the RK3399 also btw.

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AMD sees Framework as a strategic partner so they got the chips early. Dealing with Qualcomm is more likely to be like working with Intel; the chip supplier isn’t really interested in small users so they have to get in line behind the big name companies. I don’t think we’ll see a Qualcomm-based Framework until at least 2025, if ever.

Another issue with Qualcomm is that they haven’t been very Linux-friendly in the past. At the kernel level, yes, because of the need for it for Android, but otherwise not so much. Providing Linux capability is important for Framework, so if Qualcomm won’t play ball that will be a deal breaker.

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ARM is so much more complicated to plan around, has a track record of horrible linux support and is notorious for becoming unsupported by manufacturers in such a short time frame.

The upsides of increased battery life, size, and a cooler chip isnt worth the agonizing, proprietary nature of the ARM ecosystem.

Unless something big changes, I doubt we will ever see an ARM Framework laptop.

I have a Raspberry Pi a few years old as my daily driver desktop and as a server.

Quad core 64-bit ARM-Cortex A72 running at 1.5GHz

I also had Ubuntu 20.04 which was fine. The Ubuntu 24.04 is a bit slow.

Qualcomm did change a bit their mainlining stance and X Elite support is already added in Kernel 6.8, so maybe there is a chance for better support. Of course the GPU and other parts are also important and not sure they have been mainlined. More info:

Also the Qualcomm/Ubuntu collab might speed up things a bit:

https://canonical.com/blog/qualcomm-and-canonical-announce-strategic-collaboration

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There’s still the issue of software incompatibilities and a magnitude more development to accommodate for similar situations.

Of course there is. And still… good news everyone, looks like Snapdragon X Elite is set to have good Linux support almost from launch! :smiley:

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Sounds good but I’ll believe it when I see it.

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Linux compatibility for the ARM CPU is the easy part. Qualcomm makes most of the CPUs in android phones (which is linux-based already). This will almost certainly be done by launch day or shortly after for the X Elite.

The hard part is linux support for everything else in the laptop. It’ll be up to the team building the specific laptop (framework in our case). They’ll have to choose parts with working linux drivers or write the drivers themselves, and then they’ll have to test it all works together end-to-end and submit bug reports and patches to the linux project as issues arise. Same as they do for their intel and AMD laptops.

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Qualcomm is working on more complete support for Linux: Qualcomm goes where Apple won't, readies official Linux support for Snapdragon X Elite | Tom's Hardware

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Unlike the x86 CPUs, an ARM CPU contains almost everything that usually is placed on a CPU mainboard. So official support for an ARM CPU usually means that almost the whole machine will work OOTB. Much less modular though, probably only the SSD and the memory can be replaceable, with the memory still questionable.