Dual boot?

Hey @Andy_Coder How you doing? I’ve noticed you mentioned you are currently running Ableton and Max with dual boot setup on Framework 13. Great!

What was your experience so far with the setup? Are you still dual booting? What was your experience with performance on Framework 13 and CPU usage, battery life?

My main concern is that rebooting laptop and constantly switching between OS might be very annoying and unproductive to just open my Ableton. That’s why I am considering having 2 laptops (MacBook Pro for Ableton, and Framework for everything else). However, having 2 laptops probably will be a pain. Just wondering is dual booting is annoying for you, and what was your experience so far.

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Just had to look up Ableton and Max to know what you are talking about.

So am I right in thinking you want Windows for Ableton but would rather use another OS otherwise.

I have Windows and Ubuntu on separate partitions on my main NVMe SSD and switch between them during the day.

I used to have Ubuntu on a separate 256GB expansion card, but I wasn’t sure the card was reliable in terms of not dismounting and remounting automatically, still working on that.

Yes, I was wondering how is @Andy_Coder’s experience so far, as he is running Ableton on Framework.

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I’m not dual-booting anymore. I didn’t exactly find it annoying, but I was just not using the Linux side much. Mainly because I wasn’t doing the things that I would prefer to do in Linux. If I’m spending 90% of my time in Firefox or Ableton, there isn’t much point in an entire second OS.

When I was younger I tried operating systems as a hobby in it’s own right, and dual or triple booted all my PCs for decades, but now I don’t find the time.

As for Ableton/Max performance and battery life, it’s a bit off topic, but the 11th-gen Intel FW13 was just adequate on that front, but I made a ton of music on it with just a bit of annoyance. I have updated to FW16 and would recommend it if you can. I would not recommend a MBP as performance and reliability is not good, in my experience using the top Apple machines for 6 years in my day job

Unfortunately, both windows and mac os keep adding useless, cloud-centric garbage and eroding user privacy, so alternate operating systems are becoming even more important. Hopefully Ableton can get a Linux version together, as much of their underlying systems are running on Linux on the new Push. Or maybe other commercial audio software will fill the gap?

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Thanks for your reply, great I was able to reach you, as not many people are talking about music production on the forum. I also posted my own topic seeking some advice here DaVinci Resolve and Ableton Live: Seeking the Ideal Hardware Setup - have a look when you find a minute. :smiling_face:

Unfortunately, both windows and mac os keep adding useless, cloud-centric garbage and eroding user privacy

I totally agree on MacOS/Windows point. Windows is adding utter garbage and spyware, while MacOS baking ChatGPT into the OS, and even tho you can disable it probably - you don’t know what your system is doing anyway, because all those disabled features are running in the background processes anyway.

Hopefully Ableton can get a Linux version together

Community is asking for years, I am not really sure if that will happen anytime soon. There is Bitwig native Linux support developed by ex Ableton devs. It’s good, but I am totally not fan of UI and esthetics. It looks quite painful for my eyes.

I would not recommend a MBP as performance and reliability is not good, in my experience using the top Apple machines for 6 years in my day job

Even MacBook M1?

Especially M1 (and other Apple silicon). It has a very good video chip, low latency for OS UI and basic things like web browsing, and does well on synthetic benchmarks. But actually using it for real work is awful next to my Win 11 FW16. Apple’s app store and updates that take 2 hours and… This is not the place for “Everything wrong with my MBP and why I think Apple products are beyond overrated” but you can send me a message if you really want the whole rant

I had a 2015 Intel MBP that I loved, and that was the last good MBP imo

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you can send me a message if you really want the whole rant

I messaged you @Andy_Coder, but I am not really sure how this forum functions. Direct messages and search is super confusing.

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I had similar experience with MBP.

What’s the biggest difference between 13 and 16 after your upgrade? What made you to upgrade, if you could go with eGPU for example?

New FW13 will have 120Hz display. Would you still recommend 16 then? Thanks.