@Igby Thanks! Right, I don’t know why I thought that but I found it ambiguous why they had to design in-house RAM in the first place… hence my concern that it was somehow out of technical necessity…
Much relieved that it is not the case!
2230 for the second mainboard SSD slot feels like a bad compromise.
Yes, you can use 1 TB storage expansion cards but they are bespoke and slow.
Yes, you can use a m.2 expansion bay module but then you lose discrete graphics support.
Having two 2280 slots isn’t even necessarily about trying to get 16 TB of total storage in the laptop. It’s more about having cheaper ways to get 4 TB of storage as 2 + 2 TB or to get 8 TB of storage as 4 + 4 TB, and having a cheap way to have a secondary SSD for dual booting.
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Personally I am very happy with those two M.2 slots!
There was a lot of discussion in another thread about how they could create a M.2 2280 slot convertible into two 2230 slots (this was proposed by a community member, not by Framework)… and in the end they did much better than that!
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What I got was that “OEM” RAM modules intended for laptop manufacturers are not also available for retail sale. Framework wanted to offer the exact same RAM modules, both pre-installed and sold separately.
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I’m READY to BUY Framework Laptop 16 !!! Please tell me it sells/ships this week!!! LOL
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What exactly are the measures of the FW Laptop 16?
From the previous blog article on the “enclosure”, we only get to know that it is 18/21 mm thick. But how wide and deep/high is it?
Yeah, it sounds like they now have an arrangement where ADATA are producing Framework-badged modules and supplying them to Framework wholesale, and Framework are allowed to retail them as well as OEM them.
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Well this thread lit up like a Christmas tree, didn’t it!
Glad we can run dual SSDs inside. One being a 2230 is not ideal and more would have been merrier for my use case, but it’s “acceptable compromise” for the upgrade, repair and modularity gains vs other vendors. Can still put the OS on one drive and data+VMs on the other. She’ll be right.
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Is there a reason that the 2230 can’t be used as the OS drive? It would seem like a better solution, then that would leave the 2280 available for storage. 2TB should be fine for OS. It may be just a choice of words that seems to imply that the 2230 is for additional storage.
" For the secondary 2230 storage, we offer Western Digital’s SN740 drives in up to 2TB."
Should be able to boot off either drive?
Where did you see that it cannot be done? After reading the post from framework, nothing tells me it cannot be done.
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Do we know which PCIe version and how many lanes each M.2 will have?
@John The post says Gen4x4 so that’s 4 lanes of PCIe 4. So max throughput would be about 7.8GB/s.
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Any idea if/when the Dual M.2 SSD Holder Module will be available for sale? I have a use for this as soon as I get the 16s I ordered.
Welcome to the forum.
I don’t believe Framework has said.
“Two more in the expansion bay” is very specific for a suggested DIY project. With a PCI splitter, one could probably fit more sad in there.
The 2 seems to come from a prototype they made. The design is available at github, so it remains unclear if the expansion is planned or is just a POC.
2 is what would fit there, within the non-GPU shell (if you had the pcb). The shell was designed to allow for DIY pcbs, with a back panel that can easily be replaced with a 3d printed one if you need port cut-outs.
I think the fact that they already had a dual SSD design suggests they were at least considering selling one. Plus, them mentioning the ability to add two more SSDs like that, without qualifying the statement, is very suggestive in my opinion. And with the fact that Framework-16 preorders have been far beyond what they expected, it increases the chances that it will be worth it for them to make it & sell it themselves.
But they have not announced it, so we can only guess.
Seems they’ve chosen the best 2230 M.2 that exists, but still this is a dramless SSD form factor - so I don’t see it keeping up with the main 2280 NVMe.
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Does the frame.work team see a way that modders could fit a second 2280 into the framework 16 in the future? I’m curious what that would be. Thx!
I prepared a way, but won’t be able to test it, before receiving my Framework Laptop 16:
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