# Framework Laptop 16 High-End GPUs? **URL:** \ **Category:** Framework Laptop 16\ **Tags:** framework-laptop-16-amd-7040\ **Created:** [July 18, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891 "2023-07-18T19:10:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Van\_F](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Van\_F](https://community.frame.work/u/Van_F)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/1 "2023-07-18T19:10:41Z")
Game Dev here. Can we expect High-End GPUs in the future? How about nvidia GPUs? Being able to swap between AMD and Nvidia will greatly help in my line of work. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Doe4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Doe4](https://community.frame.work/u/John_Doe4)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:16pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/2 "2023-07-18T19:16:59Z")
Great question, same issue ---
**Author:** ![RandomRanger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/randomranger/32/15979_2.png) [@RandomRanger](https://community.frame.work/u/RandomRanger)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/3 "2023-07-18T19:19:33Z")
> [@Van\_F](#): > > Being able to swap between AMD and Nvidia will greatly help in my line of work. The physical connector is unfortunately only rated for 50 swaps, so if your goal is to hot swap between AMD and Nvidia I don’t think the expansion bay will be the solution you’re looking for. If someone builds a PCI-E converter that lets you dock a full desktop GPU though… now that might work. **Edit by Framework team:** There continues to be a lot of incorrect information echoing around the Expansion Bay connector. We’re developing our own semi-custom connector with the supplier specifically to make it better for end-user handling. The datasheet that people are referencing that states 50 cycles is for an off the shelf connector that Framework Laptop 16 doesn’t ship with. ---
**Author:** ![H\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@H\_G](https://community.frame.work/u/H_G)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/4 "2023-07-18T19:26:52Z")
I’m didn’t know that about the expansion bay connector! Is this documented somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![RandomRanger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/randomranger/32/15979_2.png) [@RandomRanger](https://community.frame.work/u/RandomRanger)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:38pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/5 "2023-07-18T19:38:27Z")
> [@H\_G](#): > > Is this documented somewhere? It is documented somewhere, I’ve seen it. I believe it’s part of the open source hardware specs, I found it via another thread on this forum a while back. Unfortunately idk where any of those links are anymore. My plan was to hot swap between dGPU and extended battery, I was also bummed when I found out. ---
**Author:** ![H\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@H\_G](https://community.frame.work/u/H_G)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/6 "2023-07-18T19:41:53Z")
Gotcha. That’s something that would be really good to have pinned or otherwise prominently linked somewhere. Is there a wiki or something it could be saved in? I just ordered today so I’m very new. ---
**Author:** ![jared\_kidd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@jared\_kidd](https://community.frame.work/u/jared_kidd)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/7 "2023-07-18T19:42:35Z")
Doesn’t that kind of defeat the purpose of having the expansion port if it’s only rated for 50 changes? Hopefully the actual connector can be replaced without too much trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Morpheus636](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbce88/32.png) [@Morpheus636](https://community.frame.work/u/Morpheus636)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:48pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/8 "2023-07-18T19:48:37Z")
It’s not meant to be hot-swappable, its meant to be upgradable and repairable. You have to remove the keyboard and unscrew the FXBeam connector to disconnect the card, plus rebooting because PCIe isn’t generally hot-swappable. The Expansion bay also has the system cooling in it, so removing it while the system is running would cause issues anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Van\_F](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Van\_F](https://community.frame.work/u/Van_F)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/9 "2023-07-18T19:51:49Z")
Oh I see, 50 swaps isnt too bad. I Could always just get a laptop for AMD and another for Nvidia. Upgrading to newer generations GPUs is the more important feature. I do need something equivalent to a 4080 or faster though, I was really hoping there would be faster GPU modules available at launch. Or at the very least a time frame when one would be available. ---
**Author:** ![RandomRanger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/randomranger/32/15979_2.png) [@RandomRanger](https://community.frame.work/u/RandomRanger)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:53pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/10 "2023-07-18T19:53:59Z")
> [@jared\_kidd](#): > > Doesn’t that kind of defeat the purpose of having the expansion port if it’s only rated for 50 changes? If the motivation is to provide a way to make generational changes, then no. Assuming you buy a new GPU every year, that’s (theoretically) 50 years of GPU upgrades. Is it the full hot-swap we’d like to see? No. But it is definitely a massive leap forward compared to the standard fixed GPU solution. Not to mention it’ll let non-gpu devices be plugged in as well. ---
**Author:** ![RandomRanger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/randomranger/32/15979_2.png) [@RandomRanger](https://community.frame.work/u/RandomRanger)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:55pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/11 "2023-07-18T19:55:38Z")
> [@Van\_F](#): > > I do need something equivalent to a 4080 or faster though, I was really hoping there would be faster GPU modules available at launch. Or at the very least a time frame when one would be available. Yeah, I was surprised to see no nvidia gpu’s on launch, or the battery expansion system. I’m guessing this is a product of AMD jumping on board with this projection enthusiastically, vs. nvidia’s tendencies to bully manufacturers around. ---
**Author:** ![jared\_kidd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@jared\_kidd](https://community.frame.work/u/jared_kidd)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/12 "2023-07-18T20:22:35Z")
> [@RandomRanger](#): > > Is it the full hot-swap we’d like to see? No. But it is definitely a massive leap forward compared to the standard fixed GPU solution. Not to mention it’ll let non-gpu devices be plugged in as well. I’m not expecting hot-swap, but 50 does feel too small considering the expansion port is for a range of possible options. Someone who wants to swap between the gpu when gaming, and extra storage when editing video for example, will very quickly burn through 50 swaps and set themselves up for glitches and intermitent connection. But it is true this is better than anything else so far and a great start. ---
**Author:** ![RandomRanger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/randomranger/32/15979_2.png) [@RandomRanger](https://community.frame.work/u/RandomRanger)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/13 "2023-07-18T20:31:12Z")
> [@jared\_kidd](#): > > Someone who wants to swap between the gpu when gaming, and extra storage when editing video for example, will very quickly burn through 50 swaps I completely agree, I was personally very interested in a similar use case and am also disappointed. Perhaps in time additional solutions will present themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Anachron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@Anachron](https://community.frame.work/u/Anachron)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:32pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/14 "2023-07-18T20:32:56Z")
> [@jared\_kidd](#): > > I’m not expecting hot-swap, but 50 does feel too small considering the expansion port is for a range of possible options. Someone who wants to swap between the gpu when gaming, and extra storage when editing video for example, will very quickly burn through 50 swaps and set themselves up for glitches and intermitent connection. Who knows, maybe this is going to be upgraded in later revisions? I agree that 50 swaps feel a bit less, but then again, I don’t believe I’ve seen a system yet that even allows for so many swaps. Can you guys please guide me to where you’ve read the “50 swaps” only? I have not seen that on neither the [product page](https://frame.work/de/en/products/laptop16-diy-amd-7040) nor on the [market place](https://frame.work/de/en/products/laptop16-diy-amd-7040/configuration/edit) itself. ---
**Author:** ![MJ1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/mj1/32/15519_2.png) [@MJ1](https://community.frame.work/u/MJ1)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:35pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/15 "2023-07-18T20:35:27Z")
> [@jared\_kidd](#): > > Someone who wants to swap between the gpu when gaming, and extra storage when editing video for example, will very quickly burn through 50 swaps and set themselves up for glitches and intermitent connection. Considering the fact that you need to partially disassemble things to even remove the expansion bay, it’s naturally going to really slow someone down. Swapping back and forth just won’t be practical. ---
**Author:** ![MJ1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/mj1/32/15519_2.png) [@MJ1](https://community.frame.work/u/MJ1)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/16 "2023-07-18T20:39:38Z")
> [@Anachron](#): > > Can you guys please guide me to where you’ve read the “50 swaps” only? I have not seen that on neither the [product page](https://frame.work/de/en/products/laptop16-diy-amd-7040) nor on the [market place](https://frame.work/de/en/products/laptop16-diy-amd-7040/configuration/edit) itself. From the datasheet for the connector. FX Beam incorporates the X beam connector, it just uses different alignment pins. > [@Expansion Bay connector durability](http://community.frame.work/t/expansion-bay-connector-durability/31504/7): > > Here are the relevant data sheets: Manufacturer: [https://neoconix.com/wp-content/uploads/AS-000031-XBM-X-Beam-Product-Spec-Rev-D.pdf](https://neoconix.com/wp-content/uploads/AS-000031-XBM-X-Beam-Product-Spec-Rev-D.pdf) (this might not be the exact product Framework uses, but it’s the closest I could find) Framework: [https://raw.githubusercontent.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay/main/Electrical/Dual-channel%2074P%20FXBeam,%20length%2027.75mm%20\_Rev%202\_(Public%20version).pdf](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay/main/Electrical/Dual-channel%2074P%20FXBeam,%20length%2027.75mm%20_Rev%202_(Public%20version).pdf) The manufacturer says that it’s rated for 50 cycles (I assume this is for the release model of the con… ---
**Author:** ![RandomRanger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/randomranger/32/15979_2.png) [@RandomRanger](https://community.frame.work/u/RandomRanger)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/17 "2023-07-18T20:40:50Z")
@MJ1 how are you not a community moderator by now? lol ---
**Author:** ![Anachron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@Anachron](https://community.frame.work/u/Anachron)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/18 "2023-07-18T20:43:52Z")
> [@MJ1](#): > > From the datasheet for the connector. FX Beam incorporates the X beam connector, it just uses different alignment pins. Thanks, isn’t that only the connector though? I could see Framework both upgrading it in the future and also selling those seperately for people in need of such. I think it would have been good/honest to include this information on either the product page or even the module details on the market site … ---
**Author:** ![MJ1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/mj1/32/15519_2.png) [@MJ1](https://community.frame.work/u/MJ1)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/19 "2023-07-18T20:54:17Z")
> [@Anachron](#): > > Thanks, isn’t that only the connector though? I don’t understand what you mean here. > [@Anachron](#): > > I could see Framework both upgrading it in the future and also selling those seperately for people in need of such. Changing the connector will kill compatibility for future upgrades. I think Framework would really try to avoid that. I believe others can already use both the connector and Framework’s implementation of it. Framework would like others to create compatible devices. They post nearly everything to their github. ---
**Author:** ![Anachron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@Anachron](https://community.frame.work/u/Anachron)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891/20 "2023-07-18T20:59:39Z")
Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I am not a native english speaker. I was talking about “You can probably easily replace the connector if it breaks”. And also a future upgrade on the connector (not a different design) could make it longer-lasting. [Next page](https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-16-high-end-gpus/33891.md?page=2)