Framework Laptop 16 User Reviews

Eventual Review

OK, so I had some problems with my DIY edition FL16 when it first arrived: RAM slot 0 doesn’t work and prevents the system from POSTing; while I was debugging that I detached the WiFi antenna and those are some super fiddly connectors; the ribbon connector on the back of the mid-plate was loose because the latch was broken.

Support have been very helpful. They sent out a new mid-plate with no quibbles, and I am now writing this on the FL16, only using RAM slot 1 while I work through that issue with Support.

As for the actual laptop itself? This is the Ryzen 7840HS with no discrete GPU:

The Good

  • The screen. It’s big, it’s clear, the lighting is consistent, it’s just gorgeous.
  • Performance is very good
  • Pretty quiet while doing most things, compiling big Go or C# projects spins the fans up but it’s still not very loud.
  • Size and weight. It’s a big laptop, but it’s not as heavy as my last 15" (a Razer Blade) and it’s decently thin too.
  • Fingerprint sensor works quickly.
  • Battery life seems good running Windows 11; I’m coding, compiling and running Edge, Slack and Discord and I think I’d probably get 8 hours without getting battery anxiety (not a scientific estimate).
  • As long as you don’t detach the WiFi antenna it’s easy to open up.
  • Two SSD slots! Got a Corsair MP600 Mini (M2230) coming today to fill that second slot.
  • Can charge on either side with the USB C expansion cards.

The Bad

  • The keyboard is not flush with the trackpad and the rest of the laptop; it sits about 0.5mm lower.
  • Speakers could be better

The Ugly

  • The screen on my last laptop compared to this one :smiley:
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It could be, but that’s unlikely. Soldered RAM doesn’t come in multiple configurations that need identifying and training. A manufacturer soldering the RAM will stick to a couple of known configs, usually the low voltage LPDDR5 variety. Having less configs to train helps cuts down initialisation time.

My work ThinkPad with an AMD CPU can take 8-10 seconds even with soldered RAM to get to the splash screen. It’s just how AMD platforms initialise the hardware.

The “improvement” is for AMD to make industry wide, not Framework.

Servers are way worse, the ones at work need minutes for the management controller to check everything before it’ll even let you hit the power button to power it up fully.

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What RAM do you have installed?

Kingston Fury Impact 5600MHz although it seems it has speeded up a bit during multiple reboots.

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This is interesting. I might play with the charge settings. But one of the really really big selling points of this machine to me, is that I can replace the battery. I usually do so on my Lenovo laptops, so that after 3 years I’m looking for some aftermarket battery and installing it. Those are usually hit-and-miss. Maybe I should go with OEM? Well after another couple of years, you can’t even get a battery for your machine.

I’m tired of these throwaway mentalities. Right now my machine runs at 50% and then shuts off suddenly (my second battery is dead).

I want a computer that treats the battery as a consumable, because it is. Heck, if I really want the battery life (like on a flight), I may just get two!

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Regarding CPU speed, I have the AMD 7940HS on order. For fun, I’m comparing it with my current Lenovo laptop CPU (i5-6500T), my media server CPU (AMD 5650GE, which I’m very happy with btw), and some fast server CPUs.

Check out the single thread rating on this beast. Intel Core i5-6500T @ 2.50GHz vs AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE vs AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS vs Intel Xeon w7-2475X vs Intel Xeon Gold 6448Y [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

This is my first Framework, I previously had a Dell 17 inch 2 in 1 which has given good service since 2016 but the chip isn’t suitable to upgrade to Windows 11.
I have a prebuilt Framework with GPU as I do graphics and photography stuff and want to make sure \i have the power for it, I am not interested in gaming. I’m in the UK.
I received my machine about a fortnight ago and have been gradually coming to grips with Windows 11. a new email client and updated Graphics software so have had a fairly steep learning curve. I have got to say that the Framework has not been part of that, it is working perfectly.
To get my one complaint out of the way … I thought that I could adjust the touchpad right or left but I can’t. Is this because the keyboard and touchpad have to be in the same relation to each other? The touchpad is bigger than I am used to and I am finding it tricky as I end up too far to the left on it. I am sure I will get used to it but it would have been great to be able to move it left while leaving the keyboard central.
Opening the lid is a joy after the Dell 2 in 1 which was very heavy, I have to consciously reduce my effort. I always had to open from the centre so that is how I do it automatically and I have noticed no flex at all. But then I am not ‘testing’ it just using it.
The keyboard is lovely and the travel is just right for me. It is very quiet.
I have only had the big fans cut in once and the noise was not a problem for me, in fact I like that you are getting a clear warning of what work the machine is doing, rather like increased engine noise in a car. Usually I can’t hear any fan noise at all … but then as I am nearly 70 my hearing may not be that keen any more :slightly_smiling_face:
My age may also have a bearing on how wonderful I think this machine is, as I can remember what we thought was good back in the '70s.
I love the fact that you can physically switch off the camera and audio, I only have need of them for occasional Zoom meetings. Knowing the covers are closed gives me one less security thing to keep in mind.
The battery is good and lasts a working day for me in general, so about 8 hours, before it drops to 30% and I plug it in. Is this still the way to get optimum use out of batteries?
The display is very bright and I have to have it at 28% to stop eye strain, so I think it would be fine outside in full sunlight, but I work inside. The colours seem accurate so far as you can tell just by eye.
All in all it is a great laptop but the real worth will come in future years when I can upgrade it as needed. I hate having to replace things which are still in excellent condition but have become obselete.

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You can put the track to the left or in center if you have the keyboard left en numpad right. There is some more info on this on the same pages as the instructions for which extension port can be used for what. I think you can visit it by the shortcut with Fn+F12? But i do not have my framework nearby to check it.

The only way to get the trackpad on the right is to put the keypad on the left and the keyboard right. But I haven’t worked up the courage yet to try that.

I discharge my phone to 20% and charge it to 80%, if I can. That seems to be a nice middle-of-the-road.

TBH I plan on being less careful with the Framework, because the battery is replaceable. This is my pet peeve- not having a replaceable battery. So I’m looking forward to an honest product, which will allow me to upgrade.

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Thanks for responding.
Currently I have both the keyboard and the touchpad central, but I really wanted to be able to keep the keyboard central and move the touchpad to the left.
I don’t have a numberpad just spacers and I thought I’d be able to place two spacers at the right and the touchpad left but it won’t slot in … hey ho :slightly_smiling_face:

Thanks

I have read many reviews. They have things to improve although it is true that the big problem is the prices.

The moment they reduce prices they will be very competitive. Simply by reading comments on social networks you can see its popularity and the price problem.

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according to the knowledge base article, centered keyboard and left touchpad should be supported. i’m not aware of a reason why you shouldn’t be able to do that.

I’m pretty sure the touchpad must be under the keyboard or one to the right, so left touchpad centre keyboard wouldn’t work.

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… weird. looked at the article again and you’re right. i would swear i had a different reading last time i looked at it. that’s even more baffling than the inability to put the touchpad on the right when the keyboard’s on the left, i had previously somehow gotten the impression the fitting rule was ‘within one space in either direction’.

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Yes, I thought I’d read it could be moved either way but when I tried it it just wouldn’t slot in.
I looked at the connectors and there appear to be ones there to allow it to move left or right but when I went back to try to find where I thought I’d read it it wasn’t there.
This is why I made the assumption that the keyboard and touchpad have to be aligned with each other. It is annoying because I thought I could do it, but really it is just like having to get used to any other new machine.
Thanks for your help everyone.

One month later…

After getting an opportunity to test it in more use cases like travelling, I wanted to log a few more of my opinions.

Portability: So it is big, but it actually fits well in my default/non-hiking backpack without the GPU module. It still fits with the added GPU butt, but it becomes obtrusive. Battery life has been more than fine for me, except that one time I closed the lid with Davinci Resolve open, took a little nap, and woke up to a warm underside and some 20% less battery when I opened it about 1:20 or so later according to Windows events. I am just learning what “Modern Standby” is, and I am dumbfounded as to why this has replaced S3. Anyway, for a screen this big, a full keyboard, and the added modularity size tax, I find this laptop very usable on the go even as someone who tends to travel light.

Battery: Depends on a variety of factors, but I’m getting from 4 hours video editing (no encoding) on Windows with the GPU module, up to 8 or 9 just web browsing, typing, etc. on Fedora without the 7700S. I can see burning through the battery very fast by continuous encoding, compiling, or gaming, but it also seems easy to stretch very far with light use and system optimizations. I find it adequate for my needs, but I can see why it can seem disappointing to others coming from other modern systems, especially MacBooks. Oh, and re: my earlier answer about battery life between the two OS’es I’m running, I’m often getting up to 20% less on Windows for the same activities, possibly up to 50% less if I’m to believe Fedora’s current life estimation. I’ve done very little to optimize either, but the difference is significant, and disturbing.

7700S Module: Easy to swap, though honestly I almost regret buying it. Swapping in or out only takes a couple minutes once you realize that you do NOT have to take out the midplate because there is a cutout around the connector specifically for this you stupid idiot (:man_facepalming: :man_facepalming: :man_facepalming:), but you do still need the screwdriver. It doesn’t really add all that much weight or size, but for what I need a GPU for which is pretty much just video editing, I really don’t notice much of a difference. Maybe I just haven’t unlocked its potential yet as I’m just getting to know Resolve, but so far the integrated graphics seem to be plenty good enough which is great for portability, but it does make me wonder if I really benefited from spending an extra $400…

Speakers: I am actually surprised how good they sound on a variety of surfaces. Intuitively the design seems…suboptimal…but somehow it actually works. Now I am comparing to very limited use on much cheaper laptops because speakers have historically sounded so bad they I’d just rather not use them (even MacBooks), so maybe I’m just not used to the quality of speakers that some of you are. Still, thumbs up from me.

Noise (continued): Still haven’t heard anything since initial setup. I may need to check if my fans are still connected. Seriously though, while I haven’t encoded a video yet (ah, life…), even furiously scrubbing through 4K videos with the dGPU in hasn’t made any noticeable noise. Maybe I’ll install a game just to see what all those reviews were complaining about. Update: Finally managed to spin up the GPU module fans, and yeah, they are louder than I’d like, but are probably reasonable for the cooling capacity they’re offering.

Display (continued): I’m slightly revising my take on the display. While I’m 90% not concerned with durability, I do notice that it’s not just flexible, but it’s not entirely flat. When closed, the gap between the display and the main body is not even. The display appears slightly bowed out in the middle. It’s nitpicky, but it does make me wonder if everything in there is ok with this kind of flex. I know we’re making foldable screens now, but is this one of them? Probably not.

Misc Notes:

  • Forgot to mention that DIMM 1 felt pretty loose compared to DIMM 0. Is it the socket or the actual RAM module, I don’t know, but it works nonetheless so I haven’t worried about it since assembly.
  • USB-C charging is awesome. OK, I know I’m very late to the party, but this is my first USB-C chargeable laptop and while the FW charger is small for its output, the ability to charge off a much more portable Steam Deck charger, or even trickle charge off 5V is a portability dream come true to me!

So yeah, still loving it. I actually feel even better about it now that I’ve travelled with it. I’m keeping my GPU and just being careful around the touchpad spacers. All things considered, for a first generation machine that they were stumbling over themselves to get into our hands, this thing is an engineering marvel. It’s everything I wanted and more. Well done, and keep it up!

Edit: Added battery section

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I am one week in to using my Batch 8 Framework 16 as my daily driver and I have not experienced any of the reported issues from earlier batches. The Framework 16 runs a little warm as does my Framework 13 but not uncomfortably warm. I ordered it with 1 x 32GB which may have limited throughput but after installing 96GB (2 x Crucial RAM 48GB DDR5 5600MT/s) it runs much faster and cooler.

memconf:  V3.17.1 29-Mar-2024 https://sourceforge.net/projects/memconf/
hostname: ziaframe.thorspot.net
Framework Laptop 16 (AMD Ryzen 7040 Series) (Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS w/ Radeon 780M Graphics 3800MHz, AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS w/ Radeon 780M Graphics)
Memory Error Correction: None
Maximum Memory: Unknown (DMI incorrectly reports 65536MB)
DIMM 0 P0 CHANNEL A: 48 GB 5600 MT/s Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered) DDR5 SODIMM, CT48G56C46S5.M16B1
DIMM 0 P0 CHANNEL B: 48 GB 5600 MT/s Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered) DDR5 SODIMM, CT48G56C46S5.M16B1
empty memory sockets: None
total memory = 98304MB (96GB)
amdgpu-pci-0300
Adapter: PCI adapter
vddgfx:        1.01 V  
fan1:           0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM, max = 4900 RPM)
edge:         +40.0°C  (crit = +100.0°C, hyst = -273.1°C)
                       (emerg = +105.0°C)
junction:     +54.0°C  (crit = +100.0°C, hyst = -273.1°C)
                       (emerg = +105.0°C)
mem:          +45.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C, hyst = -273.1°C)
                       (emerg = +110.0°C)
PPT:          68.00 W  (cap = 100.00 W)

ucsi_source_psy_USBC000:003-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
in0:           5.00 V  (min =  +5.00 V, max =  +5.00 V)
curr1:         0.00 A  (max =  +1.50 A)

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
Tctl:         +57.6°C  

ucsi_source_psy_USBC000:001-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
in0:           0.00 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +0.00 V)
curr1:         2.55 A  (max =  +0.00 A)

BAT1-acpi-0
Adapter: ACPI interface
in0:          16.75 V  
curr1:         0.00 A  

amdgpu-pci-c400
Adapter: PCI adapter
vddgfx:        1.28 V  
vddnb:       761.00 mV 
edge:         +54.0°C  
PPT:          24.02 W  

ucsi_source_psy_USBC000:004-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
in0:           5.00 V  (min =  +5.00 V, max =  +5.00 V)
curr1:         5.00 A  (max =  +3.00 A)

ucsi_source_psy_USBC000:002-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
in0:           0.00 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +0.00 V)
curr1:         0.00 A  (max =  +0.00 A)

nvme-pci-0500
Adapter: PCI adapter
Composite:    +47.9°C  (low  = -273.1°C, high = +81.8°C)
                       (crit = +84.8°C)
Sensor 1:     +47.9°C  (low  = -273.1°C, high = +65261.8°C)
Sensor 2:     +49.9°C  (low  = -273.1°C, high = +65261.8°C)

acpitz-acpi-0
Adapter: ACPI interface
temp1:        +53.8°C  (crit = +210.0°C)
temp2:        +46.8°C  (crit = +210.0°C)
temp3:        +49.8°C  (crit = +210.0°C)
temp4:        +56.8°C  (crit = +210.0°C)
temp5:        +35.8°C  (crit = +210.0°C)
temp6:        +38.8°C  (crit = +210.0°C)
temp7:        +37.8°C  (crit = +210.0°C)
temp8:        +55.8°C  (crit = +210.0°C)
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Very pleased. I’d rather be using Arch or Endevour, but Ubuntu with ZFS and KDE Plasma is working nicely. With Flathub integration and Bottles, it’s the best of all possible worlds.

A full size SD card module would be nice, but I understand they’re in the works.

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