Before this thread also gets locked, I really want to say that Nirav posted his answers at 8:40 PM where Framework is based.
I think he’s ought to be cut some slack for posting a prompt response outside working hours and people ought to treat it as much less of an official communication.
Otherwise the main lesson here for him is that those things are better left unanswered until the PR team deliberates on such things for some days. But they you will not get any honesty or humanity, just dry corporate speak. Does anyone of the complainers want that, I wonder…?
You are only the second person I have seen bring up this point and it is terribly undervalued. Although personally I have yet to see any kind of statement today regarding these concerns. Nevertheless, I’m patiently waiting as I assume Framework is taking the time to come up with a statement before shooting from the hip.
It would be undervalued if his response wasn’t so clear cut. He could’ve said “we’re looking into this but our base postitin is to welcome rather than reject” but he chose to say “Everybody is welcome as long as they make good software”. He gets cut no slack from me, but things can be corrected.
While i totally respect Nirav’s sleep and thinking time, i also believe that it is absolutely crucial that people who feel bad about his answer come here to voice their concerns. That will be put in the balance when Nirav and the PR team will word their answer.
I’m excited about Framework’s commitment to open-source developers. They truly stand out as a leader in ethical computing, promoting FOSS and user empowerment, unlike many other tech companies.
It’s disheartening to see attempts to undermine both Framework and the FOSS community. Extremist ideologists are actively working to undermine FOSS, which threatens the very principles we stand for. Instead of supporting FOSS, Linux and Right to Repair, some choose to sabotage the progress we have made.
Let’s rally together to support Framework and the principles of open source.
I agree. I haven’t been active since most issues with my Framework have been sorted. Now, I am disappointed and I don’t know if I want to commit to maintaining this laptop, even though it is built for it.
The support of people who have made harmful communities within the open-source communities is not going to make me at ease. When you work with something inherently communal as open-source software, defending the community matters. This response of us who disagree is the community wanting to preserve itself.
Open-source is a community, it’s human. To support anti-humanists, is a problem for a humanist community.
After I shared the whole of today’s happenings with my spouse, they had a very good point that maybe the lesson about thinking your answers through is actually a good one. Because what was brought to Nirav’s attention is a pretty important question, which maybe noone at Framework actually game enough thought about. And instead of providing the current justification, which might not be very high-fidelity, what should happen is that the question needs to be first seriously (re)considered and a good opinion formed before a response is given.
And now that an early response was already given, Framework will have harder time because they are already in a defensive position whether they choose to double down or change course.
Much like Tesla owners when Elon went full Sieg Heil, Framework owners are going to start covering up the framework logos and adding stickers to their laptops that read “I bought this before Framework started supporting hate”.
Framework, what are you doing? Listen to your audience. No one wants this.
As an avid supporter of Framework and right-to-repair in general, I can’t say that I’m anything other than betrayed. Far-right values founded in hatred have absolutely no place in a community which, in their own words, aims to “[remake] consumer electronics to respect people and the planet”. You can’t support people who want others dead for their ethnicity, gender, or sexuality and say that your goal is to make consumer electronics that respect people.
I can’t in good conscience continue to support a company who chooses to endorse groups that would celebrate the death of me, a transgender woman, even if I believe in their mission. I hope that they change their mind, but in the event they don’t- I’m ready to jump ship.