hint: the intolerant is the ones who want to kick anyone who isnt white out of countries. eg, DHH
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I love that my post was removed at the same time as this disclaimer was posted. Retroactively.
Good job.
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Yet another official framework comment that does literally everything but address anything about DHH award.
So, do we have to wait for him to post on twitter about the fact that he almost certainly has some undisclosed stake in Framework ?
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Why not just ask him directly?
Mostly because I donât care that much about Niravâs motivation for spamming Omarchy on Twitter. It could be that DHH has stakes in FW; it also could be that they promoted it to get a bunch of reposts and likes while being fully aware of who DHH was, thinking there wouldnât be backlash or that it would blow over.
I donât really care, because at this point the one thing that is certain is that they knew about it and relentlessly continued nonetheless. I (and -surely- a lot of people on here) would honestly be just fine if they just issued a short apology: there are worse crimes in the world than advertising the dotfiles of a serial racist on Twitter in hopes of getting a few sales in.
I mostly feel insulted by the silence. It screams âwe approve of this man personally but know saying it out loud would not go wellâ, which Iâm sure is not even something that Nirav actually thinks.
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I do not have much to add other than it is extremely disappointing to see Framework go this way, both on the decisions taken with award money and with moderation choices. All the enthusiasm I had for the project is down the drain. Genuinely heartbreaking to see a project so close to my values in some ways and so distant from them in others.
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How do you guys keep making this worse for yourselves? You couldâve just funded the supremacists you wanted to if you didnât say anything about it. Now everyone can take this as more âapoliticalâ hogwash along the lines of âI can excuse fascism, but I draw the line at being against fascismâ.
Keep in mind, this all started because Framework gave money to somebody who wrote an article about how they used to love London but it isnât white enough for them anymore, and people jumped in to deny, dismiss, defend, and derail any attempt to speak truth to privilege.
I highly recommend the moderators of this forum learn more about how online radicalism and cryptofascism actually work to be better able to identify and shut down any attempt to drive a wedge into online communities.
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Hello, nrp/mods
I own a batch1 release of the original framework. You can put me squarely in the innovator part of the adopter curve, and I purchased the device for the promise of it as much as any particular spec. It is getting a bit long in the tooth, and I have been actively investigating upgrading components in it.
Based on the overall trajectory of the company, including this thread, I will not be investing further time or money in the community.
Nrpâs statement at the top is so two-sided corporate speak to the point of major disappointment. Framework is not the first company to want money for its executives and investors without dealing with the consequences. However, when your branding and appeal are for political reasons, the doublespeak rings especially hollow.
Hereâs my analysis, leading to my above statement.
From a business perspective, controversy is a risk multiplier. Although there are some companies that cater to a specific subgroup, that necessarily limits your addressable market. Instead, most companies (and I include Framework) work by trying to appeal to segments without alienating the broad segment. The goal is to engage your base without causing controversy.
In this case, Framework is betting that the value they get (power, connections, money, anything) is greater than the cost. Anyone trying to explain DHH to the company is missing the point. They know, they donât care. If they back off later, itâs not because there was a sudden understanding, just that the cost was higher than expected. Everything else is just PR to obfuscate this reality.
So, I hope the power, or investor connections, or reading the tea leaves for US politics is worth it to you. But I have no interest in spending more of my time or money to find out
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I own a batch 1 13â, a batch 6 13â, a batch 1 16â, a batch 0 12â, 3 other 13â machines, and two 13â mainboards in standalone cases. I support Framework and trust them to make the decisions they feel appropriate. I support the right of everyone to live in peace and harmony providing they are not harming others or actively calling for harm to be done to others. I look forward to many new innovations from the Framework team, and I plan to be here to support them for a long time.
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Quite frankly I think this threadâs continued existence is a mistake. It has long outlived itâs usefulness and has reduced itself to largely people who wonât be satisfied until anyone to the right of radical leftism is utterly silenced forever, and they seem to have committed themselves to bashing Framework no matter what they say. Itâs seriously hurting my brain that the people claiming to be fighting for my rights are acting like this.
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DHH (who has his own Wikipedia page) is a bad guy. A white supremacist absolutely, and probably a fascist. Framework should cut ties with him.
Framework should also convert to a co-op and do total profit share with all its workers.
These things wonât happen because Framework is a capitalist corporation. It happens to be trying to do some social good at the same time, because thatâs Niravâs mission and he had the network and capital thatâs required to do anything approximating good under capitalism (a system where Capital is positively correlated with Power). But, heâs still a liberal capitalist (liberal being the actual definition not the American one), and I donât think anyoneâs convincing him to convert to a co-op anytime soon.
Thatâs about all you can get within the capitalist system. If youâre hoping for more, you need to step away from the idea the corporations are going to deliver us from the degredations of our system, considering theyâre the root cause of those degredations. Thatâs like appointing a king to overthrow a bad king. Ask not what some random profit-generating algorithm can do for you, ask instead where your nearest Food Not Bombs instance is at.
Given Frameworkâs mission, their decision to go âapoliticalâ (sort of) in the forums is the best I can hope for. DHH sucks but for whatever reason Omarchy seems poised to deliver the first actual Linux implementation of true hibernate. Integration of that benefits Frameworkâs ecosystem and improves the likelihood that people will get off Mac and Windows and into right to repair, Linux, and FOSS world. I was a milquetoast lib that was radicalized into a dirty little anarchist that founded a co-op because of FOSS, I think itâs a repeatable strategy.
Rather than seeking ideological purity from capitalists, Iâm more interested in how I can co-opt social good missions (if against their will, so be it) into a pipeline that shows people that got a taste of freedom that thereâs more where that came from. Itâs a pipeline, not a catapult.
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In case it is of interest, anyone can click on the little alarm bell at the bottom of this thread and select âmutedâ.
That will hide the thread only for yourself. It will not force that on anyone else.
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