# Has Framework considered increasing their production volumes? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Topics\ **Created:** [June 27, 2023, 11:51pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894 "2023-06-27T23:51:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Perry\_Webb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dfb087/32.png) [@Perry\_Webb](https://community.frame.work/u/Perry_Webb)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2023, 11:51pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/1 "2023-06-27T23:51:50Z")
All the Framework Laptops are either out of stock or preorder. Nothing available now. This is the main con listed for Framework in the reviews. ---
**Author:** ![TheTwistgibber](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/thetwistgibber/32/4950_2.png) [@TheTwistgibber](https://community.frame.work/u/TheTwistgibber)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/2 "2023-06-27T23:57:24Z")
![brule](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/framework3/original/3X/a/1/a15a7b885358727e1c3e0fdca4092c20d35b6b88.gif) ---
**Author:** ![TheTwistgibber](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/thetwistgibber/32/4950_2.png) [@TheTwistgibber](https://community.frame.work/u/TheTwistgibber)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 12:04am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/3 "2023-06-28T00:04:27Z")
We’re already shipping the Framework Laptop 13 (13th Gen Intel Core) and we’ll likely be “in-stock” after the next Batch. We’ve also taken preorders for the Framework Laptop 13 (Ryzen 7040 Series) which will be shipping in the near future. In addition to that, the Framework Laptop 16 will be available for preorder this summer. Once we sell through our stock of previous generation products, we typically do not produce more as we have to shift production to the new products. We continue to produce Marketplace items as they are cross-generation, and we inventory limited stock for warranty replacement purposes. ---
**Author:** ![sciencewhiz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e480ec/32.png) [@sciencewhiz](https://community.frame.work/u/sciencewhiz)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 1:06am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/4 "2023-06-28T01:06:37Z")
You might be interested in this video showing the production process. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/framework3/original/3X/b/1/b1925ea9aad937deac91d7dbee76d745844cf99a.jpeg "Checking on my Investment in Person - Framework Laptop Factory Tour") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nXVJBGowmY) ---
**Author:** ![Perry\_Webb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dfb087/32.png) [@Perry\_Webb](https://community.frame.work/u/Perry_Webb)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 10:02pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/6 "2023-06-28T22:02:02Z")
How about considering selling cosmetic fails that can pass refurbished visual inspections as refurbished? ---
**Author:** ![Zach1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/779978/32.png) [@Zach1](https://community.frame.work/u/Zach1)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/7 "2023-06-29T22:04:36Z")
How much longer is “near future” I wish framework would provide more context on timelines, better than a vague 3 month long window ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Anachron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@Anachron](https://community.frame.work/u/Anachron)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/8 "2023-06-29T22:40:50Z")
> [@Zach1](#): > > How much longer is “near future” > > I wish framework would provide more context on timelines, better than a vague 3 month long window ☹ Thankfully they dont sell us the moon and break it 3 times in a row. Really, be careful what you wish for. ---
**Author:** ![Perry\_Webb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dfb087/32.png) [@Perry\_Webb](https://community.frame.work/u/Perry_Webb)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 1:10am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/9 "2023-07-25T01:10:34Z")
How many sold out batches does Framework need before they expand their production? ---
**Author:** ![MJ1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/mj1/32/15519_2.png) [@MJ1](https://community.frame.work/u/MJ1)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 2:22am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/10 "2023-07-25T02:22:31Z")
> [@Perry\_Webb](#): > > How many sold out batches does Framework need before they expand their production? New, highly anticipated products always have an initial rush of sales. But then sales level off. If _sustained_ sales over multiple quarters show a need to increase production, I’m sure they will. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/bigt/32/17143_2.png) [@BigT](https://community.frame.work/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 9:56am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/11 "2023-07-25T09:56:44Z")
> [@Perry\_Webb](#): > > How many sold out batches does Framework need before they expand their production? I think one of the main purposes of the pre-order model is to gauge interest in order to set initial production levels. So I imagine they do expand production based on the number of pre-orders sold. But there are always going to be limits on the max rate of production based on factory capacity, component supply chains, etc. For a small company like Framework, it’s important to avoid overproduction as well. It’s a balancing act to ramp production to meet initial demand without overspending and ending up with overproduction once the initial demand falls off. ---
**Author:** ![Ogroat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/ogroat/32/16546_2.png) [@Ogroat](https://community.frame.work/u/Ogroat)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 12:33pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/12 "2023-07-25T12:33:03Z")
I can imagine that a good portion of the reason for frequent and small production runs relates to capital constraints. As much as it’s been said in this thread, Framework is a small company and they have a limited amount of money. ---
**Author:** ![BarriBurt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/barriburt/32/16550_2.png) [@BarriBurt](https://community.frame.work/u/BarriBurt)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/13 "2023-07-26T01:11:14Z")
Great answers to a fundamental question, I reckon. Pity we can’t just print out whatever widget we like from a domestic or at least local 3d fabricator, but we aren’t really there yet are we. Anyone else read the Diamond Age, by Neal Stephenson? Weird book but the “matter compiler” tech was quite a dream - especially for something written in the 90s. I bet FW would love to just print whatever shape from whatever material atomically correct and at speed. You know, them and everyone else… Nevermind me. Back on topic, if you have $10mil or more burning a hole in your pocket you could always invest. If nothing else you’d get on the short list 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Perry\_Webb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dfb087/32.png) [@Perry\_Webb](https://community.frame.work/u/Perry_Webb)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2023, 11:55am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/has-framework-considered-increasing-their-production-volumes/32894/14 "2023-08-13T11:55:21Z")
On Framework 16 preorders there are 5 batches schedules for Q4 and 7 batches for Q1. The new batches keep scheduling for Q1, rather than Q2. It appears Framework plans somewhat of a ramp up in Q1.