How's everyone's [55Wh] battery health and wear looking?

Is it always used on mains and what about the cycle count, could you relay that. 2.6% in 11 months is very low :slight_smile:

Have you calibrated the battery. Mine, after 6 months is reading 6.8% and has shot up in the last week from around 5%

I’m going to do a calibrate on 1st Sept to see what changes it makes :slight_smile:

Update:

I have been running on battery far more, though with a lower 75% charge limit. Probably another ~100x 75 to ~25% cycles in the last two months.

After charging to 100% and letting it float down to 80%, then back to 100% 3x times today (to let the charge controller figure things out), I am getting 3350000/3572000 health (as reported by cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_* ), or 94% of rated capacity. This means around 4% capacity loss in 4 months since my last measuring and posting on this in April.

Others have said that the battery state of health calculations might be a bit inaccurate, and my suspicion is that this is true as well. Not sure how to improve the accuracy of the reporting, either installed in chassis or through bench testing, but it might come to that if we need better degradation data.

So that’s 50 cycles. I have only done 51cycles in six months with 7% loss of capacity.

Not sure that is going to work. To calibrate the battery it will have to be taken down as close to zero as possible and up to 100% for the calculation of what the battery can hold.

Calibrating mine later today :slight_smile:

Calibration seems to be a big issue.

Over ≈7 months I have calibrated the battery reporting algorithm 3 times and each time the result shows lower wear. So much so that each successive time the wear been reported as dropping.

This would also make sense if the discharge to zero and recharge to 100% ‘stretches’ or conditions the batteries capacity.

The other note is that the battery cycle increases as expected.

Updated 1st October 2022

NOTE: A ‘recalibration’ cycle was carried out on the 1st October and yet again the wear is recorded as lower ???

REF: Compare to original graphs

I am at 98.2% after about 7 months. Running Ubuntu 22.04.1 spending a lot of time on power with a charging limit set to 80% and running on batt about once per week and getting around 6 to 7 hrs use from the battery. :blush:

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An update:

I just updated HWiNFO64 and the wear jumped from 4.3% to 4.8%
Update 22nd > back down to 4.4% See two posts above for graph

The application doesn’t seem that reliable. I’ll try and check via Ubuntu to compare.

I was in batch 3 and was using mine daily for a day short of an entire year now (Got it Sept. 29, 2021). I’m at 89% capacity so 11% wear.

I’ve been using it daily for college and work and charging to 100% and usually using it until it’s around 20-30% charge though some days I went as low as 5-10% due to not having access to a power outlet.

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Batch 2 i7-1165, 97% battery health remaining. Semi-regular daily driver. Charge to 100% and drain from there. Variable drain lengths before re-charging depending on how long I know I’ll be from a wall socket.

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Mine is from the first I5 batch

POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=BAT1
POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=Battery
POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Charging
POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1
POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-ion
POWER_SUPPLY_CYCLE_COUNT=96
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MIN_DESIGN=15400000
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=16874000
POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=0
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=3572000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=3028000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=2753000
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=90
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY_LEVEL=Normal
POWER_SUPPLY_MODEL_NAME=Framewo
POWER_SUPPLY_MANUFACTURER=NVT
POWER_SUPPLY_SERIAL_NUMBER=xxxx

So I guess I’m at 85% of the design capacity after 96 cycles
Yes, I have capped it at 90%

Batch 8 so still young :slight_smile:

If you look at my graphs you will see an improvement in wear each time I do a complete discharge and charge to 100%

Out of curiousity could someone answer how accurate wear is?
Also wear to my knowledge is hard to calibrate correctly.

Not accurate. At the end of the day, what you really / actually care about is how long you can use your laptop for, per charge. That’s what really matters. Wear level is just a rough guesstimation.

It’s like…mileage of a car…it’s not exact…and what really matters is you want to know if your car will crap out on you, and how much it’ll cost to fix the issue. Mileage is just a rough indicator of likelihood of potential issue.

Or age of a person…you get the idea…

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From my test that seems to be true :slight_smile:

  • Designed battery capacity (DC)
  • Maximum charge at any given time (MC) To find this the battery requires a complete discharge and a full 100% charge

MC divide by DC will indicate the wear on the battery in terms of capacity.

Other wear is harder to assess

Heat damage by fast charging may be breaking down some insulation and that sort of wear is more difficult to assess. One way of measuring it would be to measure the battery charge low when not powered on.

This type of degradation id more often liked to the cycles that a battery goes through.

So we have wear as in capacity (CA) and wear as in cycles (CY)

I’ll let someone else find a formula for their interaction :slight_smile:

After 6 cycles mine is at 96%

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Batteries never come with no wear, that’s around the percentage most people start with so don’t worry.

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Technically true because they are at least charged (once or more) at the factory.

However, a lot of the time, a [good] new battery would be able get a full charge capacity anywhere between 1-5% above designed capacity. My Framework laptop was able to get a full charge about 1% above the designed capacity for the first 5-8 cycles.

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Given the inability to update posts more than a couple of weeks old here is the latest graph.

  • It seems to have stabilised to around 4.5%
  • Most often morning readings are lower, not always, the common factors are a) having rested overnight and b) colder temperatures
More details

You can use the URL in the screenshot for more info

UPDATED 17th Nov 22 Full discharge and charge on 28th Oct whence the wear dropped to 4.0 ??

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Have you tried calibration it may not be 15%, not that 15% is extremly poor?

I joined this thread not so much to mention my battery wear but to comment on the fact that replacement batteries are still not available to buy 15 months after the first computers were shipped. That is incredibly poor logistics.