As for me is more important efficiency than esthetics, i am always wanting thicker chonkier devices that don’t compromise features or efficiency for looks, and since mini pcs are more and more in trend and laptops are getting powerful enough to replace desktops, why not create a product line between a laptop and a desktop?, like a ultra portable desctop aio, wich can be a supper chonkier laptos with a biffier cooling system and a bunch of update slots. A 1 or 2 inch laptop with no compomise cooling system that can sustain under 70c or less full load, 4 or more m.2 slots and dont know, since is framework, 12 usb moduls
While the idea is definitely cool, I just have to ask: Why another category?? I think FW is already at max capacity working on the consisting line-up.
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because the fw16 can be pushed more, any actual laptop can be pushed more or unlimit its full potential, i mean, it is limited by the cooling, it thermo throtles a little, with lower temps also lowers the power consumption (because of physics), it will be nice to have more slots and having something that doesent test your nerves or boters others because its so laud, in other words usable in a team space.
I sold my pc to have only the fw16 as my main pc, then it was too loud, so i wc it, now its nice quieter, but since i had to set the water block directly over the chips, its not easy portable anymore , i have to unscrew the blocks to take it and install the shield and keyboard, why? because the heat pipes are unable to transfer all the heat that the chips produce.
I mean its just an idea, a suggestion of the product line that others may like to have to (not a demand), a line to add sometime in the future. The idea is having a smaller, powerful pc that can also be easily transported with no need the take too much apart of itself in order to be usable “ultra portable pc aio”
The fw16 can easily be forked to it, although i like the fw16 to have better quick access to the m.2 slots and better chassis cooling, not a owen like lack of ventilation. I think i talk here about making mini pc like boards (asrock 4x4 or so) and built multiple plataforms over it. AMD already showed that it is posible to have a basic board and hace a pcie “pro” expansion card to add more features, will be the same as a bigger mobo but modular
I think the easier solution would be to buy the Desktop or the Desktop’s MB and putting it into another chassis. That might be the solution to strive for. Also you could take one of the other MiniPC vendor’s mainboards and do the same here, you’d even have an x16 PCIe connection.
Edit: The mainboards are the Minisforum BD790i X3D or BD795i SE with a 7945HX3D and 7945HX respectively.
Agree, but i can make that… 4x4 form factor and mobile are even more compact, less volume for the final product
Sooooo …
You would like something similar to an Osbourne 1 ?
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The Osbourne 1 is a good one! I’ve never heard of that before, but there is also a similar thing on AliExpress, with modern hardware. Just costs like 5k
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Always entertained by these requests. I loved my Thinkpad T430 in its time, it is pretty chonky pretty Thiccpad, and I bemoaned the loss of it when I had to migrate to a T480s because it had become too long in the tooth…well I bemoaned it for a minute. I suddenly dropped from carrying around 10 lbs of gear to maybe 5 lbs. What a relief.
Seriously though the thermal throttling issues on modern laptops are a wonderful argument made for thicket laptops so we can have better cooling so we can dump more power into the chip so we need more cooling so we need a thicker laptop so we can put in better cooling so we can dump more power into it so we need more cooling…yeah. The degree of “thermal throttling” in a modern laptop is actually for the most part a well informed choice balancing mobilitiy, power usage, battery life and performance and most do it fairly well. For those who need more get a bigger laptop and if that is not enough well you need to give up mobility to get what you want and simply get a desktop, workstation, or jump into the 1-4U world.
Chonkpads are done and gone for a reason…they make zero sense in a highly connected world where I can simply offload that heavy job to a remote host instead of trying to create a fusion reaction in my laptop.
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If you have a fix for the 61 Watt-Hour battery being eaten in 90 minutes by 40 watt full-speed system or 100W use of the Desktop surviving 26 minutes – like lugging bigger battery pods in your thicker laptop body – can you describe it?
Maybe some enthusiast can prove that the concept works and share design files before Framework need to commit manufacturing resources to make it a supported product.
K3n.
There are many thick laptops examples, i dont think there is nothing to be proof, the principal problem with a laptop is that you have to waste to much money in something that you have to replace entirely.
If you put “thick laptop” in google image search there will be lots of examples, like the MSI TITAN GT75 or Acer Predator 21x
My point was to have a more compact powerful pc replacement that doesn’t annoy me and all around me
That is not even near what i am talking about
I can diy something like that, there is almos no point on it
Ok lets do a test, raise you hans the ones who think it is nice to game in the fw16 hours, it is nice that it works, but people install bigger coolers in ther pc or wc them because they want them silence, what could be done more easy in a laptop if the souce of heat is on the back, there i can install a low profile cooler if i wanna go wild, and then make a bigger back cover, 3d print or cnc it, there is even the posibilithy that athirt party company make some upgrade, but its on the front, forbiding any customisation, that is why a always ask to move all tho the back, that and that and because taking only one cover i can acces everything, i wont have to dismount many parts… i dont really get why fw decided that is a better idea to make it from the front
ok, here is a proposition, what about 5mm thicker laptops, so that you can fit a 5mm thicker heatpipe, i mean, add to the thickness of the current. The people that more or less know how heatpipes work, know that the thinner they are, the less effcicient they are to, so by adding 5mm, i dont know if the carry capacity gets multiply, but it shout be way better, and 5mm for a gaming or power laptop, should not be to much, the extra height shoud also allow extra space for other stuf.
Make two chassis versions, slim and thick, which could share most of the parts
The component that is making the fan loud when is doing apparently nothing should also be addressed, put a heatpipe that touches the main heatpipe to allow them all to be cooler. and it has to have internal air flow, server like, its a high end computer, by definition, can not rely on passive cooling, nvme’s need it, ddr5 ram to, thermotrotling is expectect from a low end or for a low workflow, not gaming, gaming means, working at the limit