# If you haven't ordered yet, what's holding you back? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Topics\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 6:44am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462 "2021-09-09T06:44:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Jason\_Dagless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@Jason\_Dagless](https://community.frame.work/u/Jason_Dagless)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/209 "2022-08-18T22:57:05Z")
> [@Justin\_M](#): > > As for repairing, I’m not sure what you mean? I found absolutely no difference when I fixed the cracked touch screen on my laptop last week Yeah I take it you’ve not fixed many laptops. One a cheap laptop, if the screen goes and it has touch it isn’t often worth the cost fixing (if you can even get a screen for it). In the bin it goes. But like I said maybe 1 in 20 laptops I see in the wild has one thankfully. Who wants to put fingers on a nice premium screen anyway? ughhhh 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Rafael\_Laya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7ab992/32.png) [@Rafael\_Laya](https://community.frame.work/u/Rafael_Laya)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 4:08am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/210 "2022-08-29T04:08:26Z")
100% the screen size! 15.6 or 16 inches would be perfect. Also a bigger chassis would allow for a bigger battery. ---
**Author:** ![Cheese](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/cheese/32/12359_2.png) [@Cheese](https://community.frame.work/u/Cheese)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/211 "2022-08-30T01:03:36Z")
@Rafael_Laya Welcome to the community! Do agree with you in a larger screen being super cool. - Even without enlarging the actual chassis and decreasing the bezel size. Although it isn’t a real dealbreaker for me. I’m going to sound like a broken record here but the lack of availability in Belgium is a literal dealbreaker as it stops me from ordering it at all. 😅 I do have one gripe with the framework and it’s the lack of a touchscreen. It isn’t really a dealbreaker but I’ve experienced a laptop with a touchscreen now and it’s amazing. I constantly find myself scrolling with my finger on non-touch laptop’s screens. Love the fw, instant buy when available. 😊 (Also instant buy on a touchscreen version of the display when it comes out) ---
**Author:** ![Rafael\_Laya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7ab992/32.png) [@Rafael\_Laya](https://community.frame.work/u/Rafael_Laya)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:35am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/212 "2022-08-30T02:35:14Z")
@Cheese Thanks for welcoming me! Indeed global availability would be sweet, more devices in more people’s hands 🙂. Touch screen would be a great thing to have too, I was surprised to learn it wasn’t touch already ---
**Author:** ![Cheese](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/cheese/32/12359_2.png) [@Cheese](https://community.frame.work/u/Cheese)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/213 "2022-08-30T13:10:15Z")
@Rafael_Laya Yeah right?! I associate glossy displays with touchscreen now for some reason. Apparently the right hardware is there for a touch display option but remains unused so that gives me hope! 😊 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Cyber\_System](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/the_cyber_system/32/1000_2.png) [@The\_Cyber\_System](https://community.frame.work/u/The_Cyber_System)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 2:15am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/214 "2022-08-31T02:15:13Z")
Thankfully our mental health has improved and we were able to have a very brief discussion about laptop requirements. Also thankfully, framework is coming to our region soon, which is good news. Unfortunately, our discussion concluded with “having a touchscreen is non-negotiable.” We also need a dedicated graphics card. We’ve not found a touchscreen that fits, and dGPU would need a bigger chassis for cooling. ---
**Author:** ![LiLDevL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@LiLDevL](https://community.frame.work/u/LiLDevL)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 4:40am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/215 "2022-08-31T04:40:11Z")
Well they charge for a power cord and I stoped . Almost fell for all the freedom and rights stuff , I was actually excited to buy one but looks like another raspberry, talk a good game but just another wholly owned subsidiary of evil corp. ---
**Author:** ![GhostLegion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/ghostlegion/32/3356_2.png) [@GhostLegion](https://community.frame.work/u/GhostLegion)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:41am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/216 "2022-08-31T05:41:04Z")
> [@LiLDevL](#): > > Well they charge for a power cord and I stoped . It’s optional tho? I mean if you already have a USB C cable capable of the necessary charging speed then it would be entirely superfluous to buy another. $50 for a power cord isn’t an unreasonable price either for a GaN charger and TB4 cord either… Like I get it, it feels like Apple pulling the charger out of the box for “environmental reasons” and then charging $20 for it. It doesn’t feel great when others include it in the price but > [@LiLDevL](#): > > just another wholly owned subsidiary of evil corp is a bit harsh and melodramatic ---
**Author:** ![lhl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/lhl/32/9497_2.png) [@lhl](https://community.frame.work/u/lhl)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 7:39am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/217 "2022-08-31T07:39:17Z")
> [@GhostLegion](#): > > > [@LiLDevL](#): > > > > just another wholly owned subsidiary of evil corp > > is a bit harsh and melodramatic Joined the forum just to drop truth bombs on all the sheeple. 😂 (But in all seriousness, IMO it’s not that they charge extra for a power cord - rather they _don’t_ charge you for one if you don’t want/need another USB-C charger, which seems like a good thing to me.) ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Dagless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@Jason\_Dagless](https://community.frame.work/u/Jason_Dagless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 12:55pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/218 "2022-08-31T12:55:37Z")
I think if some folks here got to design their ‘dream laptop’ it would be the laptop equivalent of “The Homer”. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![IndependentGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/977dab/32.png) [@IndependentGeorge](https://community.frame.work/u/IndependentGeorge)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/219 "2022-08-31T14:34:24Z")
> [@Jason\_Dagless](#): > > I think if some folks here got to design their ‘dream laptop’ it would be the laptop equivalent of “The Homer” It would be: 1. 13.3" matte touchscreen expandable with an option for 17" 2. LPDDR ram for lower power draw, but comes with a soldering kit so that you can upgrade it later. 3. Trackpoint + large touchpad 4. Detachable DGPU 5. Full keyboard with numpad 6. Thin & light form factor. In all seriousness, I’m pretty satisfied with mine. It’s not perfect, and honestly a Thinkpad T14 probably would have been a better buy for me at the time, but it’s good enough, and the tradeoffs are worth it if the company takes off and starts a trend industrywide. ---
**Author:** ![Senhara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/senhara/32/6899_2.png) [@Senhara](https://community.frame.work/u/Senhara)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/220 "2022-09-01T00:52:09Z")
> [@IndependentGeorge](#): > > LPDDR ram for lower power draw, but comes with a soldering kit so that you can upgrade it later. This goal is incredibly unfeasible. I’m uncertain about the firmware side of things, but LPDDR solder joints are incredibly small and packed together, requiring _many_ years of experience with soldering and board level repairs before even thinking about attempting removal of an LPDDR chip, only being consistently done by machines. It’s easy to ruin it, and no user who wants to upgrade their memory should have to think about soldering new modules on with a format that’s incredibly easy to fuck up. > [@IndependentGeorge](#): > > Detachable DGPU See: eGPU ---
**Author:** ![LiLDevL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@LiLDevL](https://community.frame.work/u/LiLDevL)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 3:35am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/221 "2022-08-31T03:35:10Z")
So I see this computer and research and research and , really like the product and the spiel. But for the luv of Buddha, you charge for a power cord? ---
**Author:** ![Tancred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/tancred/32/9801_2.png) [@Tancred](https://community.frame.work/u/Tancred)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 12:16pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/222 "2022-09-01T12:16:05Z")
> [@LiLDevL](#): > > you charge for a power cord? No, you pay less if you don’t want the charger. ---
**Author:** ![IndependentGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/977dab/32.png) [@IndependentGeorge](https://community.frame.work/u/IndependentGeorge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/223 "2022-09-01T14:56:21Z")
> [@Senhara](#): > > This goal is incredibly unfeasible. I’m uncertain about the firmware side of things, but LPDDR solder joints are incredibly small and packed together, requiring _many_ years of experience with soldering and board level repairs before even thinking about attempting removal of an LPDDR chip, only being consistently done by machines. It’s easy to ruin it, and no user who wants to upgrade their memory should have to think about soldering new modules on with a format that’s incredibly easy to fuck up. > > > [@IndependentGeorge](#): > > > > Detachable DGPU > > See: eGPU wooosh. ---
**Author:** ![GhostLegion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/ghostlegion/32/3356_2.png) [@GhostLegion](https://community.frame.work/u/GhostLegion)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/224 "2022-09-01T15:57:05Z")
> [@IndependentGeorge](#): > > wooosh. What is this, Reddit? nah chief, @Senhara has exactly the right concept. If Framework wanted to go with LPDDR then they would have. They choose not to for repairability reasons. I’ll grant that there are performance losses associated with eGPU vs a dGPU but if you want one that is replaceable/upgradable…that would be the eGPU. ---
**Author:** ![GhostLegion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/ghostlegion/32/3356_2.png) [@GhostLegion](https://community.frame.work/u/GhostLegion)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/225 "2022-09-01T15:58:52Z")
> [@LiLDevL](#): > > But for the luv of Buddha, you charge for a power cord? You keep harping on this and not accepting the response that everyone gives you. If you want something with everything included, get the pre-built Framework laptop. If you want the freedom to pick and choose what you need, go with DIY…that includes the power cable and charger. ---
**Author:** ![Senhara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/senhara/32/6899_2.png) [@Senhara](https://community.frame.work/u/Senhara)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/226 "2022-09-01T18:26:15Z")
> [@GhostLegion](#): > > What is this, Reddit? I may have been sleepy yesterday when I wrote that, so I may have missed the joke, but I’ve seen plenty of people say stuff like that seriously so I wanted to correct misinformation. ---
**Author:** ![GhostLegion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/ghostlegion/32/3356_2.png) [@GhostLegion](https://community.frame.work/u/GhostLegion)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/227 "2022-09-01T18:34:38Z")
> [@Senhara](#): > > I may have been sleepy yesterday when I wrote that, so I may have missed the joke, but I’ve seen plenty of people say stuff like that seriously so I wanted to correct misinformation. I wasn’t criticizing you, I was incredulous that someone would actually write “woosh” to anything on this forum. Like as a reference to r/woosh on reddit. ---
**Author:** ![Senhara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/senhara/32/6899_2.png) [@Senhara](https://community.frame.work/u/Senhara)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/228 "2022-09-01T18:35:27Z")
> [@GhostLegion](#): > > I wasn’t criticizing you, I was incredulous that someone would actually write “woosh” to anything on this forum. Like as a reference to r/woosh on reddit. Yeah I understand, I just only now recognized I missed a joke ^^; We should probably get back on topic [Previous page](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462.md?page=10) [Next page](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462.md?page=12)