# If you haven't ordered yet, what's holding you back? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Topics\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 6:44am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462 "2021-09-09T06:44:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![IndependentGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/977dab/32.png) [@IndependentGeorge](https://community.frame.work/u/IndependentGeorge)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:32am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/229 "2022-09-02T04:32:07Z")
> [@GhostLegion](#): > > nah chief, @Senhara has exactly the right concept. If Framework wanted to go with LPDDR then they would have. They choose not to for repairability reasons. I’ll grant that there are performance losses associated with eGPU vs a dGPU but if you want one that is replaceable/upgradable…that would be the eGPU. No, I mean my reply was a joke in that all of the points I made were completely nonsensical and physically impossible. It was in reply to a comment that following all the suggestions in the forum would result in [The Homer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJNd_HtZH2g) - such as a thin & light 17" laptop with a DGPU and a soldering kit to remove LPDDR chips. ---
**Author:** ![mahe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/mahe/32/12784_2.png) [@mahe](https://community.frame.work/u/mahe)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/230 "2022-09-03T22:58:24Z")
2 things: 1. Battery life! From what I’ve read and heard from several sources (reddit, forums, youtube, …) it’s not that good. For the i7-1280P I would expect at least 3-4h under heavy load (= 2-3 VMs running + MS Office stuff), but everything I’ve found tells me I could be lucky if I get 3h under heavy load. 2. If I need new/spare parts … € 30,-- for shipping??? This is really insane, for some parts this would mean 50% of the cost of an order is shipping only … ---
**Author:** ![GhostLegion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/ghostlegion/32/3356_2.png) [@GhostLegion](https://community.frame.work/u/GhostLegion)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2022, 11:09pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/231 "2022-09-03T23:09:46Z")
> [@mahe](#): > > If I need new/spare parts … € 30,-- for shipping??? > This is really insane, for some parts this would mean 50% of the cost of an order is shipping only … Tbf, Framework is still small, I expect as they scale up they will be able to negotiate volume discounts with couriers as Amazon and others do. Those companies eat the cost and Framework can’t ---
**Author:** ![mahe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/mahe/32/12784_2.png) [@mahe](https://community.frame.work/u/mahe)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 6:04am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/232 "2022-09-04T06:04:04Z")
> [@GhostLegion](#): > > Tbf, Framework is still small, I expect as they scale up they will be able to negotiate volume discounts with couriers as Amazon and others do. Those companies eat the cost and Framework can’t I know, but € 30,— still looks a bit high to me. Especially if I look at the extension cards, some are € 10,—, if I only need one more … € 10,— to € 15,— would be something I could live with for small parts. € 30,— for parts like the display or the mainboard is fine, because those parts need a better packaging and they are bigger. So let me be more specific, € 30,— for shipping small parts is expensive in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Thomas\_Piekarski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/thomas_piekarski/32/9246_2.png) [@Thomas\_Piekarski](https://community.frame.work/u/Thomas_Piekarski)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 12:22pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/233 "2022-09-04T12:22:34Z")
Maybe we should not take cheap shipping for granted. It’s not shipped only across the street. It is shipped from Taiwan. Either a company can reduce shipping costs by excessive amounts or it just hides the cost in product price. To be honest I do not understand why so many things must be cheap these days. With this mindset there won’t be much sustainability. I think the more expensive something is you more value it. The more you value something the more you’re eager to repair and care for. ---
**Author:** ![mahe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/mahe/32/12784_2.png) [@mahe](https://community.frame.work/u/mahe)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/234 "2022-09-04T17:21:51Z")
Well, if I don’t really really really need it I will not order a part for a few €uros and pay three times the amount for shipping. This is a stopper for me, because it doesn’t matter if you pay 40€ for a tiny part or 10€ plus 30€ for shipping. It’s the same, too much for such a small simple electronic part. Then it doesn’t really matter how easy it is to repair or swap parts. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Dagless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@Jason\_Dagless](https://community.frame.work/u/Jason_Dagless)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 11:27am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/235 "2022-09-05T11:27:44Z")
One card module weighs 43grams in the postage wrap. ---
**Author:** ![GhostLegion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/ghostlegion/32/3356_2.png) [@GhostLegion](https://community.frame.work/u/GhostLegion)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 5:02am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/237 "2022-10-17T05:02:54Z")
> [@Uni\_Park](#): > > pricing (student’s budget), but really hoping for the refurbished items to be available for EU shipping soon I feel your pain. I originally pre-ordered the 1260P but got COVID (for the second time 🙄) and had to cancel. Finally scraped enough cash together to afford the refurbed i5 model. Not what I wanted but at least I have my foot in the door and I can upgrade boards later when I have the cash. I’ll probably just wait for Meteor Lake or Arrow Lake to bring improvements to iGPU. Being a broke student sucks when you have expensive tastes 😆 ---
**Author:** ![zoog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7ea924/32.png) [@zoog](https://community.frame.work/u/zoog)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/238 "2022-10-21T00:12:50Z")
13.5" is too small for me. It would be good to know if bigger displays are on the horizon. I haven’t found anything indicating that it is coming. ---
**Author:** ![Kunal\_Jain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kunal\_Jain](https://community.frame.work/u/Kunal_Jain)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2022, 4:34am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/239 "2022-10-27T04:34:11Z")
No touchscreen and 360 hinge, and preferably would also need stylus support. I like taking notes with a stylus and I dont wanna get a tablet. If those were options, it wud be an instant buy. ---
**Author:** ![Cheese](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/cheese/32/12359_2.png) [@Cheese](https://community.frame.work/u/Cheese)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/240 "2022-11-15T22:28:11Z")
I was waiting until the FW came to my country but now I’ve had a lot of time to think about it and I’m just gonna hold out until a touchscreen variant arrives. I’ve been trying to get used to not having a TS by using my mom’s macbook but I keep touching the screen instinctively. Honestly didn’t know it was such a deal breaker until I really thought about it. Also welcome to the community @zoog & @Kunal_Jain! 🧡 ---
**Author:** ![X\_S](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/x_s/32/9091_2.png) [@X\_S](https://community.frame.work/u/X_S)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 7:47am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/241 "2023-01-28T07:47:02Z")
I too was waiting for it to become available in my country. I love the idea and would have bought it even though I prefer 15". I kept my old laptop alive for as long as I could, but the wait has been too long for my old battery. So I guess I’ll be buying a laptop real soon. It just won’t be a Framework. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Eastham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c68b51/32.png) [@David\_Eastham](https://community.frame.work/u/David_Eastham)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 11:28am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/242 "2023-01-28T11:28:21Z")
Awaiting an off-the-peg unorthodox keyboard module. I would prefer the [Atreus](http://community.frame.work/t/the-case-for-an-atreus-keyboard/5406) but any ortholinear, columnar staggered or other ergonomic design being available commercially would demonstrate any latent demand for alternative formats that might lead to bigger things. ---
**Author:** ![Jamie\_Douglass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jamie\_Douglass](https://community.frame.work/u/Jamie_Douglass)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 6:12am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/243 "2023-02-18T06:12:10Z")
TL,DR: 15" screen I’m looking to buy a new laptop very soon - but my hand gets squished on small form factors. So I won’t buy the framework until it comes with a bigger screen. 15" is preferable, but I could do 14-16" if that was what was left. 13.5" is just too small. ---
**Author:** ![Cutieguwu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/cutieguwu/32/14086_2.png) [@Cutieguwu](https://community.frame.work/u/Cutieguwu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/244 "2023-03-09T15:52:45Z")
Three things hold me back now. I’d love a ryzen based version as multithreaded performance is more valuable to me day to day for the work I do. A hybrid archetecture would likely decrease my performance. AMD also tends to keep their chips cooler, but that’s not much of a concern for me. I need at least a 15.6" screen, but 17.3" would be preferrable. I need a numpad. I practically live off them for my CAD work. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Wieser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71e660/32.png) [@Peter\_Wieser](https://community.frame.work/u/Peter_Wieser)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 4:27pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/245 "2023-03-09T16:27:39Z")
I am still waiting for PayPal or Klarna as payment methods in Germany. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew\_Kahn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Andrew\_Kahn](https://community.frame.work/u/Andrew_Kahn)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 7:00pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/246 "2023-03-09T19:00:18Z")
Holding me back: -DDR5 RAM -Non-Glossy Screen -Touchscreen -13/14th gen i7s - I got interested in Framework mid-cycle and want the latest ---
**Author:** ![lkraav](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/lkraav/32/14058_2.png) [@lkraav](https://community.frame.work/u/lkraav)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/247 "2023-03-09T19:39:13Z")
Started looking deeper into this after my trusty XPS 13 7390 2-in-1 (4k OLED, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD) left fan failed, and it’s somewhat of a struggle to get parts quickly for it. Shipping from China takes forever. Made me realize all this “soldered on-board” can be a business risk. But what’s holding me back - I found spare cooling system parts for XPS 13, so it’s likely I can fix it. - no OLED screen option (touch not necessary, for me) - once you go OLED, you don’t go back - no “infinity edge” screen bezel option (even for IPS) - can’t look at large bottom bezels anymore - Linux suspend power draw issues I still see being actively tracked - some reviews say fans have only “off, or loud” mode - scared of getting “loud” too often ---
**Author:** ![OperationCWAL](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/operationcwal/32/17825_2.png) [@OperationCWAL](https://community.frame.work/u/OperationCWAL)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/248 "2023-03-16T14:43:52Z")
First time poster, long time lurker because…I just don’t need a new laptop right now. As soon as I do though… That said, I could be easily convinced if they offer a touch screen. That is the one feature I don’t enjoy the privilege of anywhere in my fleet of personal computers. Meanwhile, I refurbish PC’s for charity and every time I do a touchscreen laptop I get sooo jealous! Throw in an AMD APU and I’d even preorder. ---
**Author:** ![John](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@John](https://community.frame.work/u/John)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 1:24pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462/249 "2023-03-24T13:24:34Z")
Same as @lkraav, I need some decent OLED display panel that I could buy and install. Either 13" or 16" AMD frame.work with a proper OLED would check the boxes! I realize it is out of frame.work’s control entirely, but some push for disabling the PSP (AMD’s management engine) or at least verifying its ability to backdoor us would be highly prized - and even a novelty today. Basically all usable CPUs today have a “security through obscurity” designed inner CPU with full access to registers and memory, and who knows if it could be access removely - but perhaps visiting the right website with the right javascript could trigger some invisible hook in your management engine to offer remote access, or similar. Somehow virtually everyone with influence in the CompSec community is defensive of “security via obscurity” when it comes to the management engines we’re not allows to audit, and which operate entirely transparenty from our OSs point-of-view. [Previous page](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462.md?page=11) [Next page](https://community.frame.work/t/if-you-havent-ordered-yet-whats-holding-you-back/6462.md?page=13)