I’m waiting for lunar lake/strix. Probably lunar lake since strix apparently won’t have TB5 either and I’m mad about that. Perhaps FW will be nice and use external TB5 controllers instead of the integrated TB4 controller.
Not yet. Hopefully just few more days. Orders should open during june so 4 more days left
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The biggest change? If you buy a Lunar Lake laptop, it won’t have separate memory sticks or chips! Lunar Lake now bakes 16 or 32GB of LPDDR5X memory into the package itself, with no ability to connect more RAM. It’s a change that reduces the power consumption of moving data through the system by approximately 40 percent, according to Intel. For those who need more memory, Hallock says a separate Arrow Lake architecture is coming to laptops later this year.
This is Lunar Lake — Intel’s utterly overhauled AI laptop chip that ditches memory sticks - The Verge
I’m not a lover of SoC sort of direction though it does make battery performance better.
However I usually keep my laptops as purchased and don’t upgrade ram so ram on the chip isn’t a great idea for many I suppose it’s they way most users will go.
Most ‘device’ users want better battery and speed, not a toy to take apart and rebuild.
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I don’t mind the SoC nature of lunar lake, 32GB is what I have now but I know plenty of folks on the forum require more. So Lunar Lake won’t appeal to them at all. The lack of Thunderbolt 5 is what concerns me. If Framework commits to TB5 on Strix and ideally also LPCAMM, then I’d hop on that over Lunar Lake. Depending on how I feel, I might even delay to 2026 when OpenSIL is supposed to hit Client for AMD.
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Intel is desperate to compete their power efficiency against AMD
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Not yet, but happening very soon!
For me, anything is faster / an upgrade when coming from the 11th gen. It only scored 310315 (BIOS 3.20) in Cinebench 2024…whereas my other 13980HX scored 1800. If the Ultra can score half of that, I’d be happy.
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The Framework’s i7-1360p reportedly scores >1800 as well so I’m optimistic! Will probably just be upgrading to a used or back stock 13th gen board for fear of regressions on Linux though.
Scores >1800 in which benchmark?
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Cinebench 2024.
For those wanting to have a speed comparison - Michael from phoronix just did one benchmark run against the AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS.
See results here: https://www.phoronix.com/review/linux-610-amd-zen4-intel-meteorlake
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And more interestingly against the 7840U.
As I expected, the Framework 13 AMD is still almost universally faster and/or more power efficient than the new Intel CPU.
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The intel may gain a bit of ground over time as it is a quite new and different architecture than before but I do doubt intel beats amds raw core perf/w. They may majorly win in some more specific areas like low load video playback if linux is able to use the new hardware right (and also keeps not being able to use the amd hardware right XD).
Good to have options though.
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Bummer…now it’s giving me 2nd thoughts as to whether I should keep or skip my CUS1 order. I’m hoping reviewers will be able to get their hands on the new units (and post performance reviews) in time before delivery.
I do hope for a fast system…if Framework can at least tell us the TDP, then we could at least guesstimate.
I can’t find any info on an Acer Swift Go “13” (Phoronix test laptop)…though I see there’s an Acer Swift Go “14”. With the 14 inch, Notebookcheck did a power limit comparison:
I would be happy if the 165H can perform at the same efficiency level as the 7840U at 28 and 35 watts. (So that I don’t need to deal with video playback [high] power consumption in linux with AMD)
…but that might be overly optimistic if the following is still true in Q3 2024 (article was written back in Q4 2023):
It’s such a strange year to be picking up a new consumer laptop. Never seen such a strong competition in the consumer processor space. (AMD, Intel, Qualcomm and Apple…architecture aside). Consumers are more tech savvy / educated than before, the focus / awareness on performance per watt is such a strong decision factor these days.
LTT’s video (while the focus is on the Snapdragon X Elite, it does also show 155H compare to the 7840U):
155H is looking rather underwhelming there.
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We don’t know if those new intel chips are any better on that front jet, the architecture changes they made for low power video playback on windows may not help on linux. On windows the video playback power use on the amd side is also quite good.
True. Best not to assume anything. I’m going to wait for the reviews.
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I actually got one (Core Ultra 9) not a framework though, video playback seems to draw the same power on Linux and windows could maybe have a difference of a watt or two but so far I even saw lower power consumption on Fedora compared to windows. Big issue though, external monitor flickers on Linux.
I have one too, first of all a watt or two are a pretty big difference here and it is a lot more than that. If you are just compairing total power of both linux may still win because it has a lot less background bs going on but compared to idle windows still does a lot better. Weirdly 4k playback recently got a bit better shaving off almost 2W but lower res stuff remains at the same power as my initial tests.
I don’t have that.
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