Is Framework The Best "Value" Option Now?

For a long time, supporters of Framework laptops always had to say things like “But…it is more expensive than the same specs from other manufacturers.” And there were plenty of reasons for that. Real reasons that were worth paying money for. No bloatware, no deals with Microsoft to get cheaper Windows at the cost of Microsoft getting to control the machine (forcing a Windows key and CoPilot key, forcing Windows branding and marketing, etc.), no egregious license agreement or accounts needed to use the machine, industry leading repairability and upgradeability, expansion card system, and actively supporting real ownership of the device. All that stuff is worth something to me, and probably to a lot of other Framework laptop owners.

But with the pre-order launch of the Framework 13 Pro, I think that may be changing. I’m sure it’s mostly just due to the insane stuff going on and the ridiculous laptop pricing it’s causing. But right now, two of the closest, popular, “premium” laptops that seem to be direct competition to the Framework 13 Pro are arguably the Dell XPS 14 and the Asus Elitebook. Both have standard configurations remarkably similar to one possible configuration of the Framework 13 Pro. Intel X7 358H processor, haptic touchpads, similar resolution touchscreens, 1 TB SSD, 32GB RAM, machined aluminum chassis, backlit keyboards, etc. The big difference is that the Dell and Asus both have OLED panels. That should account for some cost, especially with the Asus, which has a fairly bright, HDR panel.

But right now, the Dell is nearly $1,000 more than the Framework, and the Asus is over $2,000 more! And yes, they have OLED panels, and some would argue they have better firmware/driver support, etc. (they are massively larger companies). But all the other advantages of the Framework still apply.

I haven’t personally owned an Asus laptop, but I have owned one of their motherboards. I used it in a new PC build years ago, and it automatically installed Asus software that was practically malware the first time I booted the machine. I tried uninstalling it, but it was a nightmare. It ended up being easier to find the cryptic setting in the BIOS that would prevent it from happening and then wipe the drive and re-install Windows. Dell laptops are better than some (*cough, HP, *cough). But they still have some bloat (freaking Mcafee AV), and they have a ton of Dell branded “utilities” that constantly run and pop up to tell you they found updates (that end up getting found and done through Windows update anyway), etc. I’m not sure about the Asus, but the Dell doesn’t even have a privacy shutter for the webcam, much less the hardware disable switches for the cam and mic that the FW has. And then obviously Framework is repairable, upgradeable, has official Linux support, and just generally supports fully owning the devices we purchase.

Maybe this will all change at some point. Heck, it could change by the time I’m done typing this sentence, lol. The Dell was actually a similar price to the Framework just a couple weeks ago, but it shot up in price since then. The Asus was just released, so maybe it will come down in price. Or maybe Framework will have to increase the price for the FW 13 Pro. Who knows. But I just thought it was interesting that right now, the Framework 13 Pro is a straight-up good value in comparison to some of the direct competition out there. There are a couple cheaper machines with similar specs in terms of processor, RAM, and SSD, but they lack in other ways like a less premium build, worse displays, etc. So right now, if you want a premium, Intel Core Series 3 machine, the Framework 13 Pro is one of the cheapest ways to get it. Again, in this moment, mid May, 2026.

Edit: Just to be clear, I’m not arguing that any of these machines is a “good value” in general. Maybe they will be to some people, and that could be a different discussion. I’m just talking about right now, for a machine with the specific specs of the Framework 13.

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As much as anything, this post is about the insane laptop pricing going on for new machines right now. There are still some sales and such for machines that were released previously that stores still have in inventory. But it seems like all the stuff I’ve seen released recently is way more expensive.

I checked and you’re absolutely right, with the same configuration, charger, expansion modules and case, the Framework laptop 13 pro costs about 200 euros less than the Dell model, at least in Italy. It’s not 1000 but more than 200 euros of savings for the same performance and other advantages are not few.

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Nope, I don’t think so. Just checked out Lenevo and the cost of their entry level x1 carbon is pretty close to FW. It’s reasonably repairable although the RAM is soldered albeit 32GB of the stuff. At that point I think it’s a toss up between valuing the ability to cheap out on RAM now vs valuing superior firmware support. I’d pick firmware support personally. Plus you could get an OLED panel for a little more. Not even an option for FW. No option for the X-series of Intel processors so beyond the entry level I would give FW the edge but the highest end stuff is hardly the “value” segment.

Hi, are you referring to this Lenovo? Because with this model, the Framework is significantly cheaper, including the expansion card, charger, and laptop case.

I agree. That’s why I edited the original post and added that note about how I wasn’t saying that any of these machines was actually a good value, in general. There are tons of higher performance machines and less expensive machines. Sometimes both in one. The Asus Elitebook in particular I think is a horrid value at $3,500. And at least in the US, I think the Dell XPS 14 is nuts now that it’s up to $3,100. I even think the FW 13 Pro is expensive for the raw performance and capabilities it offers.

I just thought it was interesting that if you wanted the specific spec and feature set that the Framework 13 Pro offers, it would actually cost more from some of the big names.

Edit: Also, the Lenovo is a “similar” price, but not cheaper. And that’s the first time that was the case for a Framework laptop. That’s all I’m saying.

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Dell is anti consumer

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My guess is that device manufacturers get discounted Windows licenses by agreeing to follow Microsoft’s branding and marketing rules.

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And I’m countering that you don’t pay more for an equivalent feature set from at least one big manufacturer. The X1 Carbon is very repairable with the exception of the RAM. At least the lowest end model of each. After that I’d take the FW for the better performance. It’s not enough to just exist and a $100 price premium to buy from a large reputable manufacturer isn’t a large sum to pay. Especially when we consider the price being asked.

I don’t think Framework has ever operated in a value segment. Never. Regardless of current pricing, nothing above $1,200 could ever be considered value or budget and Framework has never targeted that segment.

I’m not hating on Framework btw. I still think there are reasons to purchase a FW laptop and the Pro fixes many pain points. I think it’s a compelling offering, especially at the higher tiers. Just not “value” with or without air quotes. It shouldn’t even pretend to airs of being a value or budget option. It’s like asking what the budget Ferrari is. It’s an oxymoron to me. It’s the framing or implication that FW could be considered a value option considering the market today that I object to.

Additionally, FW has made clear that this pricing is temporary. As they sell through old stock of SSDs, you can expect the price to rise so the small price advantage will vanish soon.

A Mac mini is an incredible value and maybe even a MacBook Neo if you can make do with 8GB of RAM. A FW Pro is not.

so there are regional pricing differences? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ the difference isn’t significant here in the USA. It’s roughly 5%…for now.

From what it seems here in Italy the Framework is convenient :slight_smile:

It’s fine, I don’t think the FW Pro is a bad machine or anything. It’s fine. I’m just not going to glaze it either.

I’m not saying you’re wrong at all; in fact, I agree with most of what you said, it’s just the least expensive option in my area for the same performance.

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I can’t change my POS Dell work laptop back to Control, so I leave it set to None.

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