Pantherlake would be nice, because it’s a successor to Lunarlake and inherits it’s battery life advantage, which is a big advancement over both AMD and Intel Meteorlake.
Intel could have made another version with a cut down 10 Xe core and SODIMM support. The current versions sacrifice too much in graphics.
Raptorlake 13th Gen isn’t necessarily cheaper for Intel. They stated Intel 7 process has increased cost because of multi-exposure DUV lithography, while future processors are on EUV thus only need single exposure.
They also just said on Q4 2025 earnings that they are supply constrained on older 13th Gen parts. Low supply = higher cost. Since they own fabs it’s beneficial to move everything to newest as much as possible.
Pantherlake is no more expensive than Meteorlake is. There’s no indication otherwise.
The price of a wafer with Intel 7 is much cheaper than one with 18A, EUV is much more expensive than DUV.
EUV is more expensive but Intel 7 required quad patterning and more which increased the cost that way. You should do some reading about it. Intel had multi-year leadership in process technology for a 20 years until they lost it trying to overdo 10nm process(eventually a variant was renamed Intel 7) combined with bad management. 10nm should have done with EUV, at least with their super aggressive goals, but instead they did with DUV, which required 4-6 level exposures.
Intel’s EUV process started with Intel 4. EUV was only used in critical layers where previously they were using multi-exposure steps, so it actually significantly simplified the steps and reduced the cost.
If you read and listen to their earnings reports they state they were having cost and supply issues to due being on older Intel 7.
That’s the key takeaway, and the latest process nodes are always more expensive than mature nodes for various reasons, especially as process complexity and required R&D increases with newer nodes.
Yes, but it’s special for Intel, because they relied on DUV too much. It’s expected 18A will not be more expensive than Intel 7.
That would be quiet unprecedented, especially given the additional complexities involved with BSPDN, do you have a source for this claim?
They talked about it before. Intel 7 is very expensive. They talked about it when earnings disappointed and their calls.
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Wildcatlake has the computer tile on 18A and it will be a dirt cheap part succeeding Alder lake N.
How would a 338H fit the thermal and cost constraint of the framework 12
Ultimately, it wont fit. Therefore Core Ultra 325 or Ryzen 340 are better fit
fun
what have are the thoughts on wildcat lake though ?
It isn’t really an upgrade for CPU though. It will be a huge one for battery life but mostly a cheaper option.
It can thermally. The TDP is easily adjustable. Really the marketing TDP is irrelevant for laptops.
Moreover the 338H would require LPCAMM, it just wont fit
I don’t really think that a CPU upgrade is needed per say
The framework 12 is trying to be like a Macbook neo/ schoool usage
It does not need power but what it needs is battery life
also wildcat is apperently cost efficent so another W
The latest blogpost mentions they are having difficulty getting more Raptor Lake supply from Intel, due to global CPU shortage. We may very likely not see a mainboard this year.
we’re stucked on raptop lake efficency …… I’m gonna cry
I would love an ARM motherboard that has some grunt when needed. Maybe ARM itself will come out with “the chosen one” processor that can compete with Apple Silicone designs while staying on for 12hour. Qualcomm has let us down, we need someone else to pick up that work lol
Fun fact Dell’s XPS laptops with a Core ultra 7 355 ? I think with out the tandem OLED beats Macbook pro’s efficecncy
this proves that ARM is not required to reach these Insane battery life
what we need is
A efficenct CPU (likely panther lake)
A good battery size (idk the XPS 14’s size)
and a good screen to drive
the framework 12 could easily power all of these I think
Sure if youre comparing 355 to an old processor like M1 pro. But compared to latest ARM processors offerings, not really.
Unless there is an architecture change to x86, they will tend to generate more heat and use more power than ARM equivalents. thats why the discussion today is not how to make x86 more efficient, but how to make ARM processors more powerful while retaining lower power consumption that they are known for.
edit: i just want my fw12 to have better hardware acceleration generally speaking. dont need more cores to get it hotter; its already blazing if i let the i5 frequencies run.