# Overheating framework 13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Framework Laptop 13\ **Created:** [July 18, 2023, 7:12am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808 "2023-07-18T07:12:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Esmail\_Smaoui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a6a055/32.png) [@Esmail\_Smaoui](https://community.frame.work/u/Esmail_Smaoui)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:12am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/1 "2023-07-18T07:12:31Z")
Hi, My framework 13 keeps overheating even when I do very basic tasks such as watch a video. We’re talking too hot to touch the top. I don’t know if it has been adressed, but I couldn’t find the same topic. Here are my specs: 12th Gen Intel(R) Core™ i7-1280P 1.80 GHz 32 Go of Ram Windows 11 pro ---
**Author:** ![Esmail\_Smaoui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a6a055/32.png) [@Esmail\_Smaoui](https://community.frame.work/u/Esmail_Smaoui)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 7:42am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/3 "2023-07-18T07:42:13Z")
Might be, but the cpu came preinstalled. Is there anyway to check that without dismanteling everything? ---
**Author:** ![Esmail\_Smaoui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a6a055/32.png) [@Esmail\_Smaoui](https://community.frame.work/u/Esmail_Smaoui)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:19am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/5 "2023-07-18T08:19:46Z")
I checked the temps and all the cores seem to heat up more or less the same. The fan works well because as soon as I stop the load (Very light) that causes the heat to go up, it cools the cpu pretty quickly. ---
**Author:** ![gido5731](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@gido5731](https://community.frame.work/u/gido5731)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 2:33am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/6 "2023-07-18T02:33:53Z")
Just got my i7 13th gen Framework 13, and I’ve been noticing under heavy single threaded loads (say, unzipping a file,) the fan spins pretty high and the cpu gets pretty hot. This, to me, feels like a bad thermal paste application. Is it worth replacing the paste? Or is this just how modern Intel CPUs are? My last laptop was an AMD 4800H so I’m not so hip to the new intel nonsense. edit: Browsing i7z, it looks like it’s mostly cores 4 and 5 (logically 6 and 8, because hyperthreading) seem to be the most problematic. ---
**Author:** ![Esmail\_Smaoui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a6a055/32.png) [@Esmail\_Smaoui](https://community.frame.work/u/Esmail_Smaoui)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:40am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/7 "2023-07-18T08:40:15Z")
Here is a sreenshot after playing Fallout shelter. I’m not a gamer, but I use photoshop and after effect for work. I’m between two jobs now. If it heats up with Fallout Shelter, It’s going to melt with Ae… ![Capture d’écran 2023-07-18 093653](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/uploads/framework3/original/3X/9/d/9d14491359003ed4aee039b5c3a15937f72143a1.png) ---
**Author:** ![gido5731](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@gido5731](https://community.frame.work/u/gido5731)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/8 "2023-07-18T18:48:22Z")
> [@anon81945988](#): > > You can check the temp of the cores. If one is high then it may well indicate a poor seating. It’s only a few cores, I wanted to ask before I go opening it up in case this is just intel being intel and nothing to be concerned about. I’ll pop it open later today or tomorrow to see. ---
**Author:** ![Be\_Far](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/be_far/32/43857_2.png) [@Be\_Far](https://community.frame.work/u/Be_Far)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 9:21pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/9 "2023-07-18T21:21:59Z")
> [@Esmail\_Smaoui](#): > > Here is a sreenshot after playing Fallout shelter 97 degrees max is still below 100 degrees and not thermal throttling, and is therefore safe for your processor. Please also send temps when running AE or PS for comparison, I expect those to be high 90s as well. That being said, too hot to touch the top is interesting. Don’t think I’ve ever had the keyboard, trackpad, or palm rest area get hot. The vents in the hinge will heat up, and below if it’s sitting on my lap for sure. Are you by any chance sensitive to heat? If not, I’d contact support about heat transferring to the top. Be advised that they’re currently flooded with tickets as the 16” preorder opened today. ---
**Author:** ![gido5731](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@gido5731](https://community.frame.work/u/gido5731)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 12:23pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/10 "2023-07-25T12:23:03Z")
> [@gido5731](#): > > > [@anon81945988](#): > > > > You can check the temp of the cores. If one is high then it may well indicate a poor seating. > > It’s only a few cores, I wanted to ask before I go opening it up in case this is just intel being intel and nothing to be concerned about. I’ll pop it open later today or tomorrow to see. On this note, installing thermald seems to have let the fans chill a bit, but now it still randomly gets pretty warm. I’ll pop it open this week to see if there’s an obvious problem, but this seems to be related to an intel 13th gen power draw issue I’ve been having elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Dagless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@Jason\_Dagless](https://community.frame.work/u/Jason_Dagless)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 1:31pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/11 "2023-07-25T13:31:03Z")
If you’ve not bought a laptop or even a desktop for several years the changes in CPU tech can be a shock in how they work. Turbos are way higher than they used to be and more extreme. I’ve had customers bring me their new laptops complaining they are noisy and hot and I check them and…working as intended. These CPUs are like highly tuned high revving F1 engines. Lots of heat and noise. Nature of the beast. Hot stressed little CPUs in tight small spaces. After all so many of you wanted thin crispy laptops… ---
**Author:** ![gido5731](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@gido5731](https://community.frame.work/u/gido5731)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 11:29am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/12 "2023-07-26T11:29:48Z")
> [@Jason\_Dagless](#): > > If you’ve not bought a laptop or even a desktop for several years the changes in CPU tech can be a shock in how they work. Turbos are way higher than they used to be and more extreme. My last laptop was also a thin and light (though it was 15 inch) with an AMD 4800U. I understand it gets hot under load (if I load the CPU then that’s on me,) but it seems to randomly get spiked or something and then run up to 80-90C, before the fans then kick on and calm it down a bit. Also, it getting hot in my bag, even in deep sleep, is super stupid. More work on suspending needs to be done on my part. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Dagless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@Jason\_Dagless](https://community.frame.work/u/Jason_Dagless)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/13 "2023-07-26T11:53:14Z")
> [@gido5731](#): > > More work on suspending needs to be done on my part. Ssuspend is screwed in most cases especially if using Windows. I don’t use any of that. It’s either on or off for me. Too much trouble otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![gido5731](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@gido5731](https://community.frame.work/u/gido5731)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 11:55am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/14 "2023-07-26T11:55:30Z")
> [@Jason\_Dagless](#): > > Ssuspend is screwed in most cases especially if using Windows. I don’t use any of that. It’s either on or off for me. Too much trouble otherwise. This is Linux, where s3idle (not s2idle, which is the bs “modern standby”) is supposed to work (and at least doesn’t fail by crashing or causing a kernel panic) ---
**Author:** ![Be\_Far](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/be_far/32/43857_2.png) [@Be\_Far](https://community.frame.work/u/Be_Far)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/15 "2023-07-26T16:21:53Z")
> [@gido5731](#): > > This is Linux, where s3idle (not s2idle, which is the bs “modern standby”) is supposed to work Please at least check the ways sleep behavior on `s2idle` and `deep` differs in Linux on the Framework. For me, it was counterintuitive and s2idle actually gives me a better, less random experience on Fedora 37. ---
**Author:** ![gido5731](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@gido5731](https://community.frame.work/u/gido5731)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/16 "2023-07-26T16:30:19Z")
> [@Be\_Far](#): > > Please at least check the ways sleep behavior on `s2idle` and `deep` differs in Linux on the Framework. For me, it was counterintuitive and s2idle actually gives me a better, less random experience on Fedora 37. I’ll take a swing at it today or tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![never\_stop\_tinkering](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/919ad9/32.png) [@never\_stop\_tinkering](https://community.frame.work/u/never_stop_tinkering)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 10:55pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/17 "2023-07-26T22:55:36Z")
> [@Esmail\_Smaoui](#): > > Here is a sreenshot after playing Fallout shelter. Seems like those temperatures are within normal range to me. I don’t have that laptop CPU but on desktop I see intel temps going to almost 90 on all P cores during sustained loads. My own AMD desktop CPU sits around 70-80 during load as well. Point being if its not thermal throttling (hitting 100) then it will continue to boost power, using more energy and thereby releasing more heat. ---
**Author:** ![BarriBurt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/barriburt/32/16550_2.png) [@BarriBurt](https://community.frame.work/u/BarriBurt)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 12:05am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/18 "2023-07-27T00:05:11Z")
That’s in spec for modern stuff, they’re engineering to run in the 90s these days. And anything over 65c is going to feel pretty dang hot to touch; bits of the case may be getting that high. In fact, the case getting hot is a good sign for thermal paste - it’s transferring heat. When you get high internal temps and a cold chassis, it _isn’t_ transferring heat - then it’s time to re-paste. Isn’t modern computing fun? The days of running single fan desktops with one tiny thermal outlet via the PSU are long gone. Laptops get hot too. Watch some current Jays 2c videos to get the unflattering truth on how hot CPUs will go, no matter the extent of your cooling solution. They just boost longer. \*Edit: Oh, and obviously listen to FW over me. If support say they’ve configured this for lower temps by all means go with them - but lets us know too, I’d be curious. ---
**Author:** ![gido5731](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@gido5731](https://community.frame.work/u/gido5731)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 3:05am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/19 "2023-07-27T03:05:44Z")
> [@gido5731](#): > > > [@Be\_Far](#): > > > > Please at least check the ways sleep behavior on `s2idle` and `deep` differs in Linux on the Framework. For me, it was counterintuitive and s2idle actually gives me a better, less random experience on Fedora 37. > > I’ll take a swing at it today or tomorrow. Results are in: From having it plugged in at 230pm (at 100%,) with s2idle it used 100% of the battery by 11pm. > [@BarriBurt](#): > > In fact, the case getting hot is a good sign for thermal paste - it’s transferring heat. When you get high internal temps and a cold chassis, it _isn’t_ transferring heat - then it’s time to re-paste. There is a concern here, if the chassis is over ~55C (it’s something around that) it has the very real chance of causing serious burns if left for too long. I believe the EU has some safety standards around this, though I don’t know the enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Be\_Far](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/be_far/32/43857_2.png) [@Be\_Far](https://community.frame.work/u/Be_Far)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 3:19am UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/20 "2023-07-27T03:19:33Z")
> [@gido5731](#): > > Results are in: From having it plugged in at 230pm (at 100%,) with s2idle it used 100% of the battery by 11pm. That’s…interesting. My 11th gen on Fedora 37 will go about 20 hours on s2idle. I would assume that the core nonsense is to blame. If deep isn’t a good experience either, I think this may be a wait-out-the-kernel issue given the relative novelty of the 13th gen’s design. ---
**Author:** ![BarriBurt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/community.frame.work/barriburt/32/16550_2.png) [@BarriBurt](https://community.frame.work/u/BarriBurt)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/21 "2023-07-27T18:45:07Z")
Oh yeah, afterthought. Did you pull the thermal module out yet and check for fluff blocking the heatsink? If not, worth doing, just have spare thermal paste for replacing what it had if you end up lifting it off entirely to get in there. (IDK, I don’t have an FW - waiting on order) Saw that one many times in my computer workshop days, all brands. Like buildup on the fan’s side of a heatsink blocking airflow. Fan spins, heat conducts into the case, but air doesn’t go out - case temperature soars and so does CPU temp. You’d notice little or no air actually exiting the outlet. ---
**Author:** ![gido5731](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@gido5731](https://community.frame.work/u/gido5731)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808/22 "2023-07-27T23:10:44Z")
> [@Be\_Far](#): > > That’s…interesting. My 11th gen on Fedora 37 will go about 20 hours on s2idle. I would assume that the core nonsense is to blame. If deep isn’t a good experience either, I think this may be a wait-out-the-kernel issue given the relative novelty of the 13th gen’s design. Deep works better than s2, so I’m sticking with that. > [@BarriBurt](#): > > Oh yeah, afterthought. Did you pull the thermal module out yet and check for fluff blocking the heatsink? For a 13th gen, that seems unlikely since it’s brand new. I do want to pop it open to check for thermal paste application and even mounting pressure, but that doesn’t really seem like the issue. [Next page](https://community.frame.work/t/overheating-framework-13/33808.md?page=2)