The entire point of them not including it was cause it was large and palm rejection was not good cause it was that large. I mean lenovo laptops already have haptic touchpads dude. Just go make a deal with sensel. Also I like everything centered. the trackpad and my keyboard. So I am not sure how that is not helpful if they add a haptic touchpad for the ones that are going to use the centered one. It’s not that difficult. Everyone wants a haptic touchpad at this price point.
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I saw your original message, which goes against our community guidelines. That kind of attitude is not welcomed in this community, consider this an informal warning. And maybe consider getting a Lenovo instead.
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Thank you for your message. Keep up this attitude and you shall lose more customers. I was considering buying the Framework 16 but now I would never get a framework in my life. This is how you lose customers for lifetime. How will someone know about guidelines? And your way of speaking is not the way of treating any customer. Company of Framework’s size should depend on critical feedback instead or showing attitude.
We appreciate and even encourage critical feedback, there’s nothing wrong with requesting a haptic touchpad or any other feature. However, calling another community member “slow and stupid” is not critical feedback or a feature request; it’s hostile behavior toward another person, which is not welcome here. You can find the community guidelines here, and I strongly recommend reviewing them before engaging in conversations with other members.
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Your attitude of talking to people is enough to bring this company down. You must understand that I did not write anything about anyone on purpose. And that is the reason I edited it as soon as I saw the guideline thing. If my sole purpose was to demean others, I would have never edited and reposted at all. But your attitude of saying to ‘go get a Lenovo’ is extremely harmful for the company you are associated with (Framework). I tried to point out a significant edge that Framework can use to get traction in the market. It’s simple, there is no other laptop in the market right now that has a graphics card with a strong Amd processor and a haptic touchpad. But you guys choose not to. That’s fine dude. You do you have to. Instead of letting me know about the guidelines, you come all hostile and start bullying to prove how much of a hero you are lol. I am pretty sure you are not accustomed to the bay area tech crowd. It’s fine. Have a good day.
Awesome, go get your bay area tech crowd to make your perfect laptop and dominate the market. As a non-customer you have nothing to lose here.
Buh-bye
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Where do you think the founder of framework is based in? Also thanks. Shows me what a toxic community framework is lol. Blessing that I didn’t buy it.
Please let’s contact Sensel and other touchpad makers to encourage them to make a module for framework:
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So you are calling people “slow and stupid”, but whine about getting “bullied”, because someone tells you, that this kind of behaviour is not welcome on this forum?
No idea, why you expect the community to welcome you with open arms, when you act like this.
This is about the least toxic online community, i have ever been a part of..
So maybe you should start to think about your own attitude and maybe, just maybe, you will realise, that you are the one being toxic.
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You edited it after you were flagged.
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I would also like to add to this. The touchpad on the Framework Laptop 13 is the best I’ve used on a laptop before. (The bar is pretty low for me since I’ve only used a Thinkpad T420 and a Lenovo Ideapad 100)
Imo however, there are points that could be made better with a haptic touchpad.
- You can only really click in the bottom half of the touchpad due to the “hinge-design“
- Make the click force and feedback configurable
I hope such a solution will be released as an upgrade.
~ Marcel
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I thought Haptic Touchpad support already existed but on the other hand, there is an ELAN module that is haptic based mentioned specifically in the PR so that’s another model of touchpad that Framework could use.
Guys, I get it may require a redesigned bottom chassis and input cover if it can’t be a drop-in replacement but this is a significant competitive advantage compared to most Windows Laptops and provides a more premium experience. It’s worth breaking compatibility every few years to bring enhancements and lessons learned into the design. Break compatibility and give us CAMM, pogo pin connections and a haptic touchpad and I think customer backlash would be minimal.
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Actually i dont believe this is required anymore.
They had working prototypes for the 16, which is much more z-height constraint.
I really really hope FW is able to deliver force touchpads, maybe already next year 
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I don’t really see why it could not be a drop in replacement, maybe it needs a new input cover but probably not even that. While a haptic pad may be a little thicker than the regular one you can also ditch the whole dive-board mechanism which should make up for that.
Definitely would want one.
Appart from the pogo pins which are imo of questionable utility none of those should really need a compatibility breaking change.
I think it would probably better for them to still cut their teeth on the current chassis design before take a shot at the next one. Especially with some quite different laptop chip designs on the near horizon (with some teasers like strix halo already out) it may not be the best time to commit on a new design.
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Why do you say that? Less fragile than ribbon cables surely and eliminates the possibility of users accidentally breaking the cable when pulling off the input cover.
As for the rest. I’m not an engineer and don’t care to go and measure the different axes and such to see if it actually is a drop in replacement. If it is, great! If not, my heart will go on.
I’d like to hear more on what makes you say this.
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Which on it’s own is nowhere near worth breaking the backwards compatibility. Pogo pins also have their own set of drawbacks (alignment, contact pressure under chasis flex, accidentally covering the contacts and stuff like that) which can be mitigated but still in the end it comes out as a wash.
At this point they have both in operation so I am sure they’ll collect data on what works and what doesn’t.
Well the stuff from right after the quot for one (future apus likely having quite different packaging requirements than today, strix halo was just the beginning) and just generally spending more time figuring out what works and what doesn’t before committing on a new and probably better chassis design. They are currently learning some hard lessons on doing plastic chassis with the 12 so while I’d actually like a plastic chassis for the 13 I would also like them to first figure out how to do it right before committing to a similarly long lived design for the 13. There is also the lpcamm/socamm/however else you wanna do socketed lpddr that is currently still not quite established so if they were to commit to one and another standard ends up winning out that has problems physically fitting that would be less than optimal.
Maybe also choose a more common size next time so they have more options for screens to yoink XD.
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We need to contact SENSEL and get THEM to make a module for the Framework.
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Framework 13 Pro looks AWESOME, I will for sure get one as my next laptop.
I literally just bought a MacBook last month after giving up hope.
Then this announcement on the pro. It’s insane! It’s like they read every wish and just went for it on absolutely everything.
me: well, there’s the trackpad but at least it won’t be good in bright sunlight
Frame.work: anti glare and matt and aspect ratio
Me: well, it can’t be backwards compatible
Frame.work: got you. And forward compatible too
Me: well at least the Mac is still Has the aluminium frame advantage
frame.work: got that too.
this just kept going in and on. Even got touchscreen?! Official Ubuntu compatibility and a pre install option coming?!
And it looks incredible with the coloured keys
The only thing left on the Mac is the shared ram architecture you get from vertical integration. That’s still faster RAM for LLM But that is the only thing left I got that’s still a bit better now, and I think upgradability offsets that if you can upgrade the ram later for a bigger LLM
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That probably won’t happen unless they want to kill the FW Desktop product.