The 180W charger maybe?
Man I don’t envy framework here, half the forum is screaming “why is battery discharging under heavy use” and the other “why is it not going full brr on a 65W charger” XD
Understandable. I had assumed a 100W charger would be enough to get 45W out of the CPU with a full battery. (or decent power from the GPU but I know not both.)
I think the real issue here is a lack of documentation. Some kind of manual page or notification
Max TDP with battery: 40W “turbo” 15W continuous (power saver)
Max TDP with battery: 55W “turbo” (thermal throttles) with 7700S disabled.
Max TDP with 60W charger: 36W “turbo” and 36W continuous.
Max TDP with 65W charger:
Max TDP with 95W charger:
Max TDP with 100W charger: 60W “turbo” 30W continuous
Max TDP with 180W charger:
I have access to 65, 95, and 100W USB-PD chargers so I may try to get this info unless someone from Framework wants to chime in.
Max TDP with 7700S disabled: 60W “turbo” 51W continuous. 100C ON DIE!!!* (100W or 60W charger)
Notes:
60W charger is a anker 736 on the “tablet” port (60W max)
100W charger is a “Spigen” arcdoc 1204/PD2100 but was also tested with the 100W of the anker 736.
Other than battery as noted, all tests were performed with max performance settings in windows.
For the cpu only 100W is more than enough for 45W of sustained cpu load, hell my 13 can do that but the power profiles have to take into account that you could use the gpu too.
Not sure if those power limits are smart enough to do stuff like that dynamically.
After further testing, the CPU seems to be able to hit 60W sustained (ignoring thermal limits) unless you enable the dedicated graphics. Seems like a lot of this comes down to bad AMD Speedshift tuning. See my prior post for updated table.
When I’m gaming on my FW 16, I use an eGPU and the cpu holds a steady clock of 4.7Ghz all core, you’ve got me curious how much power that draws. If I game on the iGPU, it drops to ~4.5Ghz like what you shared.
I have begun a new topic with my findings:
I felt that this information would be better as the first post so it is easier to find for others.
+1 
Act
Actually, many posters have power supplies not providing enough power.
When I game, I use the 180W power supply from Framework, and after 4 hours heavy gaming (Cyberpunk or Star Citizen alpha 1.22.1) I am still at 85% batery charge level (configured in the BIOS to go to 85%).
And - I have the 7700S onboard 
PS: My WD19TB Dell dock even though having a 140W power brick, only provides 60W … So no gaming with that one.
Yeah, I can’t understand people not buying the FW 180W supply when it is the only PS around capable of supplying more than 100W of PD power. People seem to have lost sight of PS they already own as having limited power available for a FW.
I have a question, can you manually adjust some settings to get max TDP(and max drain) on battery and min TDP on 180W PD. It would be fun to benchmark this
I’ve finally got more than 30W out of APU. The trick was to bump APU skin temperature limit. Now the sustained limit is 33-34W and it’s bottlenecked on APU hitting 100C at room temp of 28C.
At room temp of 20C it should hit around 37W sustained. It’s still quite far from 45W in the spec.
#!/bin/bash
ryzenadj -a ${1}000 -b ${1}000 -c ${1}000 --apu-skin-temp 70
Well as it seems some batches have a troubled Coolingsystem. My 7840hs also only hit around 37-40w sustained. I got an RMA and modified my new Board and now i can get around 52-54w sustained out of the Franework Cooling Solution and 7840hs
I wonder if that is a less violent solution to the stapm throttling than my smokeless one, though 37W sustained is still a lot less than the 45 my liquid metalled 13 does which is not what I’d expect from a much bigger machine also running liquid metal.
wait what? Can you increase the TDP of FL13 to 45Watts?
I can increase it to a lot more than that, but the cooling can do about 45 sustained with liquid metal, the back elevated and the fan maxed out.
Did you see any performance improvements in a benchmark as a result of this?
Can you use smokeless to undervolt your 13? To get better performance assuming TDP doesn’t change during the process
Nope, undervolting got killed on mobile platforms, probably thanks to an overreaction to plundervolt.
I would if I could but I also think especially with the U they already run them pretty efficiently, the perf/w of those cores is pretty amazing to begin with.
The Steam Deck got official undervolting support in the BIOS, but mine wasn’t stable at even the lightest setting… which makes me wonder if I’m unlucky, or if we’re not really missing out on much by losing the feature.
The steamdeck has one of the last generations that still allow undervolting if the device manufacturer chooses not to lock it down.
From what I see online most steamdecks do have some headroom so you may have lost the silicon lottery there.
On intel 5th-9th gen mobile processors it usually made a huge difference, don’t have any personal experience with ryzen mobile chips or intel ones past that.
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