Best practice is to shut down your laptop if you arenāt going to be using your laptop all day. Itās better for the machine, and with the speed of SSDs these days there is really nothing to it. With all the grief this suspend mode battery life issue seems to be causing I just thought Iād mention it.
Taking a couple minutes to set your workflow back up seems like a very minor inconvenience. Honestly, neglecting to properly shut down your computer if you arenāt going to be using it seems more like laziness than a legitimate workflow aide.
Whereās that line drawn between 30 minutes, 2 hours, 4 hours, 5.5 hoursā¦?
In what sense is it better?
Having the right tool doing the right thing is all about laziness. Having computersā¦is all about laziness. I would hate to walk over (using a car is lazy, right?) to Blockbuster to rent a video. Why do something that can be automated or have a shortcut?
Suspend IS a feature. Itās just really poorly implemented (by Intel?).
I mean, OMG, itās a feature thatās been a feature for 25+ yearsā¦ And ālazinessā is all you got to say about not to use it? You have issues.
You seem to be mixing up āunused durationā with āneeding a resume stateā. People need a resume-able state, regardless of the unused duration. The āchoiceā between making use of a power off state, vs a resume-able state is a personal choice. Who are you to judge on someone elseās usage decision?
You are a person, a parent. Respect the other personās choices and donāt overstep your authority. (This is a return for your overstepped judgement. Should you not have done so, this wouldnāt need to be said.)
Could you please stop hijacking this thread? This is about an issue some of us are experiencing. If you want to go argue against the utility of suspending a laptop, please open a new topic and have fun.
To be clear, I donāt take issue with the suspend feature. I use it all the time; it comes in handy on a daily basis. The benefits of being able to walk away from a session and come back with everything preserved donāt need to be explained.
There is a difference between that, and closing the lid to leave your laptop in your bag for days. That is just not properly taking care of your machine.
The incredulity at battery drain is also a bit misplaced I think. People set these laptops up with the largest RAM sticks they can afford and then are puzzled when the battery drops off in suspend. The computer has to maintain a constant electrical current to hold that session in memory.
I understand the convenience of being able to toss your laptop in your bag without giving it much thought, but if the problem is āhigh battery drain during suspendā, then shutting it off seems like a no-brainer.
First of all, I donāt have any authority here. Iām just a regular person. Second, I was just sharing thoughts and opinions I have from my own personal experience, because I thought I had a viewpoint that was relevant to the discussion here. Thatās what a forum is for.
I do respect your choice to do whatever youād like with your computer. I honestly couldnāt care less if you ever shut it off at all. Also, I absolutely understand if you donāt like my adviceāyou are welcome to ignore it.
Thereās an issue, something is not working correctlyā¦ Itās frustrating having to read these comments that is in no way helping fix the issue, I know Iām now doing the same.
Iād imagine months to come, people will use this thread to figure what could be a problem with their laptop, and how to fix it but will need to read through all this stupidity before finding the solution.
The reason Iām active on this thread is to log my efforts in tuning my framework laptopās performance and help others do the same. The comments on this thread are not complaints or cribs, they are valid concerns depending on each personās use.
I repeated my overnight experiment with deep sleep enabled instead of s2idle with the HDMI card inserted. Over 11.5 hours, the laptop drained 16%. That is approximately 1.4% per hour.
This is a dramatic increase from s2idle with the HDMI card inserted. The downside is that it takes ~10 seconds for the laptop to wake from deep sleep. The laptop almost immediately wakes from s2idle sleep.
I will be trying some other methods (like powertop tuning or tlp) to get the HDMI card to stop drawing power. Will keep this thread posted.
I have two USB A and two USB C expansion cards on my laptop and with deep sleep mode I observe a similar battery drain during suspend @Raghav_Subbaraman, between 1~2%/h. And this is with TLP enabled, which according to powertop sets everything to a āgoodā power management without touching any setting.
I donāt know if such a battery drain is normal but I tested with the two other laptops I have at home and they both have a similar battery drain during sleep. One is running linux and the other is running Windows 10. But these two machines are gaming computers with power hungry GPU and all, it should not affect suspend battery life but maybe itās worth noting. I donāt know how it compares against other laptops of the same catergory though.
In my opinion the s2idle sleep mode consumes so much energy that it is useless but the drain seems pretty logical to me given that the machine basically stays on.
Maybe IRST is worth a try to find a middle ground between power consuming deep sleep and slow to wake hibernation ?
I installed tlp and used powertop to put everything to recommended settings too. However, these did not affect the battery drain during suspend. I might not enable hibernation for my use as Iām satisfied with deep sleepās power draw.
I do get slightly better battery performance (while normal day-to-day use) because of tlp and powertop.
If turning off the USB ports during suspend helps, then is this something that the embedded controller firmware can do? You only need to keep those ports powered that have USB remote wakeup enabled (like a USB keyboard/mouse plugged in), and turn off ports connected to devices without remote wakeup (like the HDMI card, or a USB A card with nothing plugged in).
To those who is using linux mint (should also work on ubuntu), i have write a script which would automatically turn to deep-sleep when not plugged in and switch to s2idle when plugged in
I retried testing power use during s2idle with an HDMI card plugged in, changing the āautosuspendā power options of the relevant USB port.
Tested in Fedora 35, Linux 5.16.9-200.fc35.x86_64
I changed the status on /sys/bus/usb/devices/[device]/power/control and autosuspend, checking that the system was suspended (or not) by checking runtime_status.
s2idle with HDMI card plugged in, runtime_status = suspended: 1.23 W
s2idle with HDMI card plugged in, runtime_status = active: 1.24 W
so I donāt think thereās actually a difference here. It does seem this is a bit of an improvement over the measurements I took with the 5.15.18-200 kernel.
We are working with our manufacturer and Intel on potential firmware changes that could improve the issue youāve reported, but donāt have a specific timeline we can communicate at this time given the collaboration and work required.
Hi everyone, jumping in with some weird but interesting numbers here. I run Ubuntu 22.04, read the couple posts about battery optimisation already, I installed powertop, tlp, etcā¦ Every tunable is āgoodā in powertop, I get a decent 5-6w idle with the laptop running, and when sleeping (s2idle) I measure a consumption of just about 1w at the USB-C plug (using an USB-C power meter, while the battery is full). I let the laptop sleep for 3:30 hours, and the plug still reports about 1W consumption average (3.6Wh after 3h30min). This looks pretty good to me, it would mean the laptop can last about 55h in sleep which is fine. But unforunately, after I unpluged the laptop and resumed after 16h, the battery was almost empty, 48Wh had been consumed according to the power statistics, this averages at 3W compared the 1W I saw when plugged-in. Also the laptop was a bit warm. Iām very surprised by this? why would the laptop consume more power during sleep unplugged? maybe it wasāt really sleeping and woke up when I unplugged it? I reproduce this problem twice already (the first time I didnāt measure). Iāll try to run more tests to see if I can help pinpoint the problem but if you have any clue on this difference: 1w when plugged-in, 3w when unplugged, Iām interested
It sounds like youāre comparing quantities measured through different means:
if I understand correctly, you measured the power draw while plugged in through an external power meter.
For unplugged, you based your power usage on a difference in charge as reported by the battery.
The two should be comparable, but since youāre using two different methods, the difference may come from at least one of the two methods not being properly calibrated.
Since the system is not suspended under s2idle at all, it quite conceivable that some glitch in the operating system ends up using more CPU when it is in āunpluggedā mode than when it is āplugged inā ā possibly just from extra activity from updating the battery charge somewhere. It would be silly, but quite possible.
Yes there can be a small offset but not this big, 3W basically means the laptop is running, and this drain speed is abnormal. This night I tried something slightly different: I unplugged the laptop first, and then put it to sleep (by closing the lid). This morning after 11h50min the battery reports only 9Wh drained, which means less than 1W average, so that means the sleep is working fine this time and with pretty good results. So I suspect unplugging the laptop during sleep is causing some trouble and higly increasing battery drain (maybe itās waking it up or changing the power level somewhere). Iāll make a couple more tests to confirm this result so then we can investigate what happens when unplugging.
