At the risk of fanning flames, I’m so tired of this type of post. There’s always a reason not to buy a Framework:
Keyboard
Intel CPU
Screen size / aspect ratio
Thunderbolt certification
and now we need to add: butthurt about Bitcoin policies / Not metal enough for your identity politics.
I’d just enjoy it if people who don’t want to buy a Framework just… I dunno… didn’t buy one, and y’know, that’s it.
I guess some people have an inflated sense of ego or believe themselves to be influential in ways that can’t be backed up. Sorry you don’t like the policies, but, I don’t really give two cents (or, Bitcoin) about your opinion.
A better middle ground might be: Slap down some cash, and say “this is yours if you make X”. One offs won’t make it, especially with something that takes lots of engineering effort such as having a decent AMD option (which I personally would love), but if there are enough like minded people that would give builders such as Framework an incentive. Not quite like kickstarter but close. This is a builder community, after all!
@Zax & @M_Murphy: Yeah, to be clearer, when I said “this type of post” I wasn’t referring to legitimate, constructive feedback, but the whining ultimata of the entitled.
While I agree with the general sentiment that these posts are unhelpful, I would describe it in a slightly different way. In my view there’s a clear line between requesting a feature (e.g. "Please add AMD processors! Please add a trackpoint keyboard!) and being judgy about an ultimately unimportant thing. Nobody, by using Intel processors, is committing hate crimes. I haven’t heard of anyone being led to a gulag because their keyboard didn’t have a little trackpoint nipple to browse the web with. These types of features lend themselves to civil discussion very well. For me the issue arises when we forget context.
People need to stop defining themselves and other people by stupid tiny details. There’s for some reason now a social drive to enforce unimportant opinions on everyone else, and pretend they hold the same gravitas as the real issues that genuinely hurt and impact lives. By elevating the meaningless, we are diluting the meaningful. Rage fueled opinions flying as private investigators discover the use of dangerous undisclosed radioactive materials in “health” products: perfectly sensible. Murder metaphors because someone got disillusioned with BTC: unhinged/unproductive.
I agree with NRP. I see so much of the endless new coins nowadays as a consensual ponzi scheme.
Honestly I have bigger disagreements between my best friends than you do with the owner of a laptop company, if you’re waiting for a laptop company that endorses/agrees with all of your philosophical/economic/political views before you make a purchase you will probably be using an abacus for a really long time. I think it is pretty shitty to dangle this like a carrot as if you would’ve bought one if he hadn’t given his opinion on cryptocurrency. Most laptop manufacturers do not have CEOs you can speak with in forums publicly, and likely hold many political, philosophical, and economic worldviews that would run counter to your own.
Proof-of-work based cryptocurrencies are a pointless drain on society. Investing in them just perpetuates the massive amounts of energy wasted to process transactions. We should work to eliminate Bitcoin and other PoW coins.
To be fair we could push to end these energy wasting transactions, or we could push for a more renewable energy solution. There are multiple solutions to the bitcoin problem, but there some are definitely easier than others.
Then don’t buy it. People respect Framework for their commitment to cutting waste and providing a machine that the consumer invariably owns. You don’t share that sentiment, so don’t buy it.
Perhaps don’t also frame your complaint as a discussion topic. You clearly have an opinion about bitcoin, but your method of delivering it here and claiming that the Framework laptop is a “Mac clone” helps nobody, not least yourself.
If bitcoin is the future of currency, then prove it by exchanging it for money and use that to buy your laptop. Otherwise, don’t. Nobody is obligated to accept Ponzi currency because you feel obligated to support speculation (which, in turn, depends on demand and utilization).
There are PoW mechanisms like RandomX which don’t give all the power of the “decentralized” network to a small groups of miners with specialized hardware.
There’s no free lunch in crypto, but there is something called INCREASING THE DAMN BLOCKSIZE (Bitcoin scalability problem - Wikipedia), which bitcoiners like you should become familiar with, seeing as you will have to deal with consequences of your inaction for eternity. I mean, with transaction fees like these, why bother exchanging bitcoin? just HODL right?
Except, when sticking to the rules, each key pair is used exactly once. Before you sign a transaction, the only thing known about your public key is its hash value, which is considered to be relatively secure against attack by quantum computers.
(And yes, this is automatically enforced by hardware wallets.)
I believe you’re referring to the public keys being used once and discarded per the transaction. That’s entirely different from having a compromised private key, which is what those public keys are generated from. Once a private key is known the bad actor is now a co-owner of the account. There is no cryptographic way to differentiate between the original copy of the private key (the original owner) and the copied/reconstructed version. To a computer, It would be the equivalent of you showing up to a bank and having someone there with your face, ID, biometrics, and expecting the bank to tell you apart.
@Moffintops fundamentally goes to the fact that there’s an algorithm called Shor’s algorithm that can find the prime factors of any number of arbitrary size. It’s incredibly computationally expensive for normal computers, and basically trivial for a decent true quantum computer. This video does a much better job explaining than I can.
Thanks for posting this, I will have a look.
Yet, I feel like we are talking about different things: You are talking about finding the secret key given the public key, correct?
Yet, as far as I know, the public key is not known up until you spend your UTXO (unspent transaction outputs). After you’ve spent your utxo, the key pair is useless. (because there is nothing left to spend)
What is known, a priori, is the 256-bit hash of the public key. Even with quantum computers, you need 2^128 steps to find a pre-image. Hope this clears the confusion
I have avoided passing comment on this thread as it seems acrimonious. But I did read this article. Whatever your views on energy usage we can all agree that Framework is a company that set out to address electronic waste (WEEE). Since massive amounts of WEEE is baked into the Bitcoin “economy”, Framework have no choice but to avoid doing business this way or face charges of hypocrisy.
A single bitcoin transaction generates the same amount of electronic waste as throwing two iPhones in the bin, according to a new analysis by economists from the Dutch central bank and MIT.
While the carbon footprint of bitcoin is well studied, less attention has been paid to the vast churn in computer hardware that the cryptocurrency incentivises. Specialised computer chips called ASICs are sold with no other purpose than to run the algorithms that secure the bitcoin network, a process called mining that rewards those who partake with bitcoin payouts. But because only the newest chips are power-efficient enough to mine profitably, effective miners need to constantly replace their ASICs with newer, more powerful ones.
