Might be more useful to include display specs and battery capacity in there too:
Worth noting that the 1185G7 and 1165G7 have virtually identical performance. Also the XPG Xenia 14 (also included in the chart) is more of a direct Framework competitor (14" 16:10, 30W sustained, 2xSODIMM, 2xM.2)
Yes. The rest comes down to cooling and PL1/2.
Yep, the 15" Xenia Xe can sustain 40W (arguably poor for a chassis that size).
That larger chassis definitely helps.
Trying to see if that list can filtered by display size…
This bugger has a rather large battery for the 14inch form factor…though PL1 is only at 18w:
LG Gram 14Z90P in review: Superior endurance and finally more performance - NotebookCheck.net Reviews
Whipped up a quick (filterable) spreadsheet version here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L3TOLDzDn3ffriuUYI4CZJtDXsnYzl0LS5SFW2qUHEo/edit#gid=1819113269
Framework’s not bad when you normalize the screen res and battery capacity a bit:
Thank you for the file!
This “Top 10” 14inch and under are quite something (though most of them are FHD):
Imagine if we had the 72Wh battery…that would be a dream.
Think all in all, the battery life of the Framework laptop seems to be around mid-pack when taking into consideration that it’s a 13.5 inch device and with the resolution that it has.
For sure.
Added i5s and Ryzen-Us as well. Framework again pretty average with the filter set to >1920x1200 and 50-60Wh:
That’s a good thing given that it’s a Gen 1 product. I’m currently waiting for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS or F36 to materialise…and we should be seeing similar battery life on the Linux side of things (hopefully). Some are reporting great battery life already running on beta / pre-release.
I wish there’s a chart that will show a system’s computational capacity per gram (of system weight) per fixed-complexity task…or something like that.
Some of the systems in the list has only 15W PL1…to drag out the runtime…but that also means slow task execution.
Damn, I just added a column that calculates runtime/batt capacity/num pixels*1e6 and it really shows AMD’s domination in low-power consumption.
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…and they tend to score better in multicore tasks while consuming less power. So that translates to even better weighted score when taking compute scoring into consideration.
For example, the 4800U:
Default TDP:15W
AMD Configurable TDP (cTDP): 10-25W
I don’t think the Wifi Websurfing benchmark uses anywhere close to 15W. If that were true we would be seeing 3h runtimes.
Momentary bursts typically run into PL2 territory. Wattage depends on the instructions and execution units. But page rendering and JavaScript could be heavy if the site is complex.
Update: Did a quick test just now (Firefox):
bbc.co.uk peaked at 16.9w on page load.
community.frame.work peaked at 12w on page load.
It’s not a constant load, of course. But it’s a bunch of peaks / bursts, race to task completion.
I hope the Framework team is watching this. It would be great to have some AMD options!
My Windows 10 battery report estimates an average of five hours given my current use, with some days giving me seven hours.
Given how the battery is only 55Wh compared to the 63.5 Wh of my old MacBook Pro and I only charge it up to 80% of its capacity to reduce the stress on it, it’s not that bad.
While I’m hoping for options for bigger batteries in the future, so far I haven’t had a situation where I was low on battery and I was far from a power outlet. I think the worst case I had was when I was on a flight and I played Spyro Reignited which drained the battery quite a lot, but even then I had a power outlet available.
Folks have to remember you have to start somewhere. This is the Mk1 laptop and I feel Framework got it 85-90% right first go. There are always compromises especially with ambitious projects like these.
So let’s keep supporting and see what happens for the Mk2…Mk3…
Oh I’m not complaining. The Framework Laptop’s battery life is still much better than the ~4 hours I got on my XPS 15 that I’m replacing. I was just curious to see if it lined up with what others are seeing, and it is. This thread also helps perspective buyers understand if the laptop is right for them in its current state.
Worse than any laptop I’ve ever owned. Mostly Chrome web browsing with a decent amount of YouTube time, Microsoft Office usage, MPC-BE and Plex video playback, etc. 3-4 hours. TERRIBLE.
Oh I wasn’t implying that. I remember a time when two hours was considered good for a laptop! Oh yes and that laptop weighed over 2 kilos and the power supply another kilo! 
where and how do you do that with these filters? I found only a benchmark-site on notebookcheck, but there is no possibility for me to filter in any way (i can only display more, but not filter/sort the table). How do you guys do that ?
