Am I missunderstnading something @Abe_Linkn
You quote the query
Yet it seems you have done the opposite and focused on ‘laptops’
???
The problem seems to be that multiple funded organizations wanted to move in and own Linux on the phone, like prospectors seeking control of some gold in the ground, and each stopped serious work before finishing. Each “flavor” of Linux phone OS is therefore unfinished, buggy, and neglected in various ways.
Yes, I would like to see them complete their primary task of making the best laptops.
That said, they do need to find a new, consistent money-maker. Eventually if they don’t go mainstream (e.g. selling at Costco), they will run out of enthusiasts to sell new laptops to. My guess is that they are already looking at a graph of a decreasing demand. (That is also partly because of the glossy screen. Glossy is becoming less and less popular every year…)
Most of the suggestions so far (printer, earbuds etc.) are not very feasible.
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A USB-PD powered external 3.5 HDD case, so it would work with just one cable plugged in.
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Yes and no. I really see why a glaring screen can be a bad choice but as shown in this LTT video there are also clear advantages to a glaring screen (pun intended). The right way to go here would be to offer both variants as a choice for new Laptops and as a replacement part. Or simply a perfectly sized foil which can be added afterwards if needed.
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I’m not talking about the OS, the FW laptop will never run MacOS with Apple’s blessing so that just leaves Windows and some flavor of Linux, neither of which is tightly integrated with hardware (except for the Surface line). Which is the very issue I’m raising here. Software integration will be key for milking the most performance for the least cost out of hardware moving forward. This is how game consoles remain relevant and iPhone competes with Android. It isn’t even a question that performance under Linux is worse on the FW compared to Windows. It isn’t enough to merely support Linux and have things work properly, that’s the bare minimum we should expect. The fact that manufacturers have traditionally failed Linux users shouldn’t mean that FW is a hero for meeting the lowest bar. I want to see serious dev work go into firmware refinements so that FW is the obvious choice for anyone serious about open hardware/software or R2R. If the firmware is locked down, the minute that FW decides to abandon support, that is the time you now own a potential vulnerability.
Firmware improvements for the expansion cards and the laptop itself is how FW can alleviate the poor battery life. Not eliminate it, that will require hardware improvements I’m sure.
Software is the future as hardware improvements slow down. Software can keep products relevant for years after replacements have hit the market. Again I point to iPhone and the unparalleled software support compared to Android.
Tighter integration with firmware isn’t antithetical to FW’s mission, it is the fulfillment of it.
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this has almost certainly be mentioned but a 2 in 1, mainly for the stylus support. would be great for note taking :).
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Hi @AspiringLich and welcome to the forum
You are correct it has been mentioned numerous times, and not aside from the request that responses here should be ‘other than a laptop’ 
you can find similar requests, for example.
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I have a couple of things actually!
- Most users have said this but a printer would be so amazing like never having to buy a new printer would just be a godsend. Maybe even like a modular system where you can have a regular just dumb printer where you can slot in a scanner / toner / high volume paper system or even FW mainboard for full customization?!
- Definitely a 2-in 1 either frame or full new laptop skew.
- A modular powerbank where you can slot in more cells / replace those cells and integrate that with the expansion card system so you can have any output / input you want in terms of ports
- A modular phone like Google’s project ARA would be so sick~
- A full configurable dock that integrates with the current expansion card system (You could even slot in a storage expansion card :O)
- Like a very well made machined aluminum version of the 3D printed desktop enclosure for the FW mainboard that already has like WiFi antenna’s / power button / powersupply built in.
- Something a little easier but still like worth looking into: Maybe like a case for the screen that you just plug the eDP connector into and it just transforms it into an external display?
Could go on for days but those are my main ones. Hope this helps even a little! 
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We need a 2-in-1 so we’d love to have that option available in the Framework. 360 hinge and multi-touch screen would be wonderful for us to do digital art.
We’d love a dGPU somehow but that’s clearly easier said than done just in design alone, let alone the niche nature and low sell rate compared to a non-dGPU SKU.
A phone would be very cool but probably not realistic in the near future.
[Kaylee]
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I strongly think Framework shouldn’t venture too far from their existing strengths (yet!) and make something that is synergistic with the current laptop line.
My advice is a modular upgradable all-in-one (think iMac/surface studio) that can function without the brains as a USB-C monitor/laptop dock. I’d have three configurations: monitor only, all-in-one, and all-in-one with a touchscreen.
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A work boot with a replacable zip… mine needs fixing after the pups had a chew on it…
The rest of the boot is fine, but the zip is one of the first things that is attached to the boot when it is made, so it’s just about impossible to replace…
Oh, was it supposed to be electronics related?
I think that the solution may be to evolve the component parts of the framework to stand alone units - for example, a wireless KB that uses the framework keyset (+ numeric), as well as a scalable dock using the expansion cards.
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I’d be interested in a mechanical keyboard with the existing touchpad installed on one end… As a plus, allow the user to select a left-side or right-side touchpad arrangement.
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2 things I would like to see.
- A modular Dock, that I can use with my Framework, but also use the Modules in. So any extra modules. maybe 3 in a row, or six with 3 stacked on 3. It doesnt have to look great. It just has to work.
- (I really hope this could become a thing) A compact phone, with a height no more than 135mm. If you could make a modular one, I would be on that bandwagon for the rest of my life, just as I hope to be with the Frame.Work Laptop.
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An electric car would be awesome.
(that does count as consumer electronics, right?)
Why?
Current available electric cars:
- Hard to repair,
- immense privacy/security issues,
- often hard to replace batteries
In conclusion: The time is ripe for a frame.work car!
p.s. Printers are also a really great idea.
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It would! Also somewhat challenging…
But how about a car computer? I’d love something that could interface with both the existing information/entertainment systems and the ODB-II interfaces to let me bring my own music and collect telemetry from my car…
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Wireless mouse and keyboard. Full-sized with numberpad. Don’t care if it’s mechanical or the same as the current laptop. Just give me my T9!
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I have… I believe you’ve mentioned it several times on this board.
My opinion: it’s not particularly helpful to keep directing people towards an outside product in a forum thread about potential new products for Framework. We’re discussing new products Framework could bring to market, not products someone else is selling.
If the Cairn Mesa has features you think Framework should offer in a similar product, referencing it and calling them out is helpful. If you think the Cairn Mesa has features Framework should avoid in a similar product, pointing them out is also helpful.
It is not helpful to link to an outside product everytime someone mentions ‘keyboard’.
All that said: I did look over the project (English page here: The Cairn Mesa | Key : a mechanical keyboard by Cairn Devices — KissKissBankBank)… It looks nice: it’s thin, which certainly appeals to a segment of users, and build quality seems reasonable. But it’s expensive: $300 for the standard model and over $400 for the ortholinear. That’s a lot of money for a mechanical keyboard, open source or not, particularly when customization doesn’t include options for switches.
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I like the ortholinear option of the Cairn Mesa Key. But microUSB on a $300-400 keyboard in 2022 / 2023? No.
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