12th Gen Upgrade Kits are in stock!

Check them out over here:

i5-1240P - $700 CAD
i7-1260P - $1,025 CAD
i7-1280P - $1,480 CAD

Alternatively, if you go barebone DIY (no RAM, no storage, no OS, no power adapter, no expansion card):
i5-1240P - $1,079CAD
i7-1260P - $1,459 CAD
i7-1280P - $1,999 CAD

Making an Upgrade Kit vs DIY barebone delta cost of…respectively:
379 CAD
434 CAD
519 CAD

This is a bit odd…because the rest of the components are the same (bottom chassis, input cover, battery, speakers, etc…)

@Framework, why’s there a second price ladder on the Kit vs DIY delta? The processor choice / price difference should be embedded into the Upgrade Kit cost, or the DIY barebone cost already. Why’s there a second pricing ladder?

The upgrade kits only include the motherboard and CNC top cover, but the barebone is an entirely new laptop with a bottom cover, battery, speakers, etc. Seems reasonable that it’d cost more than the upgrade kit?

He means the delta cost among configurations.

Let’s do a bit of maths. Assuming X is the cost of components (bottom chassis, input cover, battery, speakers, etc…)
A kit includes top chassis + mainboard

So, cost of DIY = X + cost of Kit
Therefore, X = DIY - Kit
X must be constant since these parts are the same for all configurations

But in reality, maths doesn’t work very well:

Config   | Kit    | DIY    | X = DIY - Kit
i5-1240P | $700   | $1,079 | 379 
i7-1260P | $1,025 | $1,459 | 434 
i7-1280P | $1,480 | $1,999 | 519 
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The i7 models will likely have significantly less volume of sale than the i5 and Framework will have to cover the cost for this as well as include overhead and profit. The costs are not just in materials, but in design, engineering, support, and R&D.

@ngxson, exactly. At least, one would expect that delta to be constant…because the only component difference between them are the processor, which is embedded into the cost of the mainboard.

At this price point, it seem, to me, to make much more sense to buy a whole barebone DIY unit (and sell the old one). Which got me thinking…the generational upgrade possibility doesn’t make that much sense then.

That is understood. I understand the i7 will be more expensive…but why’s the DIY minus Kit pricing different across the tiers? The rest of the components are the same.

i.e. I would expect the “X = DIY - Kit” column to have the same cost differences.

Simple maths, not arithmetic :slight_smile:
Profit is a percentage not a sum so you will note there is actually less percentage profit for Framework, the more expensive the item.

Now isn’t that nice or ‘normal’

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Sure, but isn’t the profit supposed to be same for the same components grouping?

Component groups, in this case, consists of: Speakers, bottom chassis, LCD panel, input cover…etc.

There’s actual cost to Framework, that we don’t know. Then there’s the purchase price for consumers, that we know. I would have thought that the profit margin, whatever that is set at, would be the ‘same’ for the same component grouping (groupset).

The added cost is in manufacturing a smaller volume of DIY Laptops with i7 chips. The factory will charge a lump sum cost for tooling and creating a run of a particular skew with an added rate for each unit assembled. With a smaller volume the lump sum charge for the manufacturing run will create a larger impact to the cost for each unit.

EX: a $100k lump charge to do a single run of 1,000 laptops is a $100 per unit added cost. the same charge for 800 (20% drop) units is $125 per unit added cost (25% more per unit).


Ah…that makes perfect sense now. Thank you!

So really, I can’t just look across at the component differences…but it has to be looked at in conjunction with the batch size of the sku.


I now have a question then…

If I buy just the following:
i7-1280P - CAD $1,364, and;
Barebone DIY i5-1240P - CAD $1,079

Then swap the i7-1280P mainboard in. Sell the i5-1240P mainboard for MSRP $584.

Meaning having a i7-1280P DIY barebone for $1,859 instead of $1,999.

In this case, how would the warranty be affecting the now seperated i5-1240P mainboard, and the rest of the unit / chassis & components? Specifically belonging to two separate owners.

On the surface, there appears to be $140 gained…but not sure what’s lost.

Obvious to me and you’ll find out if you do it :slight_smile:

Do you really see it as a polarised issue. Gain and Loss, could be Gain and Cost.

You won’t loose anything, and do you really compare apples to oranges.

Every action has a cost, there is no gain but there is change.

Swapping the board is quick…under 10 minutes. Arranging a sale of the board, local, 20 minutes. I’m ok with that. Plus, when it comes to $140, if it’s gone, it’s gone. Not like I have a business that I can swap my time for the money.

Who knows, maybe I’ll die in a car crash on the way to sell the board, just to save $140.

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Don’t we all?

Efforts to earn a living? Buy things to improve quality to life for x dollars. Buy flowers for the wife, just so we get to live another day. Give & take…gain some, loss some.

Absolutley not. I don’t use money to gain but as a tool or a toy. There’s never a loss just exchange.

So I’m not with you at all on being in your view of we, but stopping as it’s just rocking the boat in a calm sea.

I discover the same thing today (without finding this post) and wrote to support, asking for a real explanation. I don’t like the idea of paying more. The same thing happens and between just mainboard and DIY edition (paying 110 euro more on DIY with i7-1280P). I’m surprised that is not the other way around, since they sell more DIY edition with i7-1280P than motherboards.

For those that choose to purchase an upgrade kit, may they have success and an enjoyable experience.

For me, the 11th Gen batch 1 that I purchased is still more than good enough for my uses.

I will not be upgrading at this time. No money in the budget. And what do I do with the replaced parts?

Perhaps in a few years…

To the i7-1280p on DIY configuration page, there is an additional cost of about 10-15 Euro (or $ since price differences are the same) and that’s the vPRO Wi-Fi, but this still means that they are asking 95-100 Euro with no other reason. Furthermore, there is a price difference between i5-1240p and i7-1260p of 70 Euros (using same method), but there is no vPRO Wi-Fi there.

@nrp Any explication for this price increase of 110 Euro (same cost is and on United States shop and at i7-1260P where it is 70 Euro) between CPU upgrade in DIY (810 Euro for getting i7-1280p instead of i5-1240p) and motherboard CPU upgrade (1189 Euro for i7-1280p - 489 Euro for i5-1240p = 700 Euro) ?

Please don’t solve this issue by increasing the motherboard price, since that shows how much you care about customers. If we don’t factor in the vPRO Wi-Fi, the same thing costs identical to produce.