Hello,
could you explain how you realized the s2idle/deep combo?
Thank you
Max
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Some laptops have a āUSB Chargingā option where you can charge your USB devices from your laptop even when itās powered off.
I donāt know enough about the Framework laptop, but, did you check if thereās a setting like that either in the BIOS or their bundled software?
This is true of the Framework, but one would think that battery drain would not be present if nothingās connected to the USB portsā¦?
As I understand it, this is not true. USB ports have to have some āpilotā voltage at all times for the device to recognize that it was plugged into something / power. If voltage is being provided to the USB port, that voltage has to come from somewhere. It will dissipate to 0 fairly rapidly if itās not kept up at 5V. So power comes out of the battery, goes through a not perfectly efficient DC / DC converter, and ultimately leaks away to air, imperfect insulators on PCBs, etc. Granted, all of this occurs at very low wattages and rates if nothing is actually using the power, but itās more than zero power getting consumed even with nothing plugged in.
My guess is F.w figured out that something is staying on that doesnāt need to be just to provide the pilot voltage with no load, and thatās what will be fixed in 3.08. I donāt have any evidence to back that up, just my partially educated guess.
Thatās only for ports that actually need to be powered all the time - this is not essential when the computer is turned off, except for the case where the laptop needs to charge another device while powered off (some laptops - Iāve seen ones from Dell at least - have this as an option in the BIOS to allow/disallow a marked USB port to provide power to an external device when the laptop itself is off).
There is otherwise no requirement to keep the USB ports powered on when the laptop is shut down, and battery drain would indeed not be present, except for any negligible drain for powering an RTC.
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Awesome. Any update on what the cause of the issue was?
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No, all ports need a small amount of voltage for CC channels.
This is needed only if the port is expected to provide power (from the laptop) to anything that gets connected. This isnāt necessary if the port will be provided power (to the laptop) by an external charger.
See for example the connection in Figure 4 of this article - Guide to USB-C Pinout and Features - Technical Articles (allaboutcircuits.com)
A powered off laptop can have the CC pin grounded as in the UFP part of the figure and a charger would have the pin pulled up to 5V as in the DFP part. In this case, the laptop can still be charged over the USB C port, but when no charger is connected there is no power drain. (Obviously, we lose the ability to charge any other device plugged in to the port while the laptop is off - but that can be a configurable option).
Excellent! Any idea about a release date for that BiOS version? I just did a test this week as I was wondering how my laptop had no battery as I was sure I left it charged the other day, decided to do a test and found out the same problem. Furthermore, itās an ABISMAL drop in battery Iām experiencing in just hours of the laptop unplugged from the socket.
Iām verifying > 65% drop in battery over 6h! Laptop completely off of course.
Thanks for letting us know when this is coming out 
I donāt mind being a Beta tester if needed be.
That doesnāt seem normal. I canāt comment on longer term battery drain, as my Framework laptop gets used daily. Every evening, I shut it down and unplug it. In the morning, I plug it in and start it. It loses no more than 1% overnight. Battery charging is limited to 80% in my BIOS settings. Itās running BIOS 3.07 and Ubuntu 21.10. It has four USBāC modules plugged in with nothing attached overnight.
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Yeah I have 2 USB-C, 1 USB-A and 1 microSD card ports on the laptop butā¦ Would that suck power out of it? Iāll remove them just in case and check again.
CMOS battery is rechargeable and recharges off of the main battery. that could be contributing. Can we maybe get a modification that stops this happening unless the mains is plugged in and/or the laptop is powered on?
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28 percent a week is fine.
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I seem to be getting the same 4% per day in hibernation on Manjaro linux. No installed ports except USB-C. (Granted, Iāve taken maybe 2 data points)
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OS doesnāt play a part when the laptop is off, so thatās irrelevant.
Meanwhile I went on the BIOS and thereās an option to ādisconnectā the battery when the laptop is offā¦ That seems to work. Now when I charge the laptop completely, turn it off and come back a day after, the battery level remains the same.
All good!
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According to the instructions I shouldā¦ But un reality I donāt.
Even with the laptop unplugged, it powers up without hesitation.
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Has any permanent solution been found? Iāve had my laptop die overnight a few times this past week, and today it was at 1% before I could plug it in.
No peripherals attached. Windows 11.
Didnāt have this issue for at least 5 weeks after getting the laptop, so this has just started with no changes to my system.
3h of charging, and itās still not at 85% (the charge cut-off I set in the BIOS), so the battery was as low as it stated.
Original charger and cable, but it seems that the windows battery status āfrozeā as it did reach its expected charge in just over an hour.
No excessive heat during charge, and I do use my laptop while it was charging.
I donāt think thereās anything wrong with the charger/battery, but something causes it to drain overnight from time to time, as per the rest of the thread.
The power light was flashing red when I opened the lid, and it showed 1% along with the battery chart in windows showing the drop, so I assume I did.
This happened only twice, and itās been generally pretty consistent with nighttime drain, which isnāt usually a problem.
I will note that while I donāt have any connected peripherals attached overnight, I do still keep 2 x USB-C and 2xUSB modules attached to my laptop.