Bounty for a cyrillic keyboard?

Probably not the best time to release any russia focused product.

Also, it doesnt really make sense to offer a russian keyboard right now, since framework doesnt sell anywhere close to russia (afaik). Belgia, Andorra and Lichtenstein are all neighbours of countries where they sell or only a few kilometers away.

I doubt there will be a russian keyboard until framework sells in russia and that might take some time.

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I feel a bit uncomfortable lobbying for the Russians – for the reasons you allude to – but as the OP points out, there are a lot of Russian speaking people outside of Russia.

I find it hard to believe that the market for a cyrillic keyboard just for people inside markets FW already services wouldn’t outpace that for a Lichtensteinian keyboard! I’m shocked, actually, that that is even a thing!

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Can someone link the keyboard with the lichtenstein layout?
Maybe I am just stupid, but I cant find it…

To offer a take, I’m ethnically Russian, but born outside Russia, and never gave any money or other support to Russian government (aside from whatever EU has been paying for gas all these years, of course). There’s tons of people like me in a variety of EU and other Western countries. The Russian layout support thing isn’t a political one, and I recommend you don’t make it so, that’s ridiculous and is a net negative for a large amount of people who have zilch to do with the invasion.

Wrt practical aspects… On one hand, I don’t know if there’s many Russians in countries where Framework sells laptops proportionally to other desired layouts, and let’s be real, Framework isn’t gonna start selling in Russia anytime soon :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: On the other hand, adding Russian layout support is quite simple - there’s no need to mechanically modify the keyboard layout beyond keycaps, you can take an Intl (US) keyboard and add extra letter names on it. It’s been historically done after-purchase with stickers, but obviously, that’s not quite a viable solution for a backlit keyboard where keys have transparent lettering, and you need to manufacture or paint the keys differently afaiu? or something.

It would be great, I’d pay for it without hesitation, but I wouldn’t hold my breath, sadly. On the other hand, there’s a French keyboard, so there could very well be a Russian one!

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A phonetic Ukrainian layout for the keyboard I think could be an option which frame.work should go for. I’d back that, should a crowd funding start.

And for the few missing characters you can get stickers :blush:

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OK so that was genius at some level … it seems like the official language of Liechtenstein is German … there’s no Liechtenstein keyboard, for sure.

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Can you maybe 3D print the keys if you have a printer with double extruder?
They arent round or anything, so it should be quite possible, i think.

Then custom keycaps should be possible for a lot of layouts. I havent removed a keycap on my framework yet, because I never had a reason, but i think it should be doable

If framework is worried about being sanctioned, why not start production of a Bulgarian or Ukrainian keyboard? They are almost identical to the Russian layout. Are 400 million Russian/Bulgarian/Ukrainians not enough? 50 million of them reside in countries where the framework laptop is already sold.

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There is, however, a German layout, as Framework has sales in Germany. :+1:

Maybe we could put our minds together to develop a DIY method to add cyrillic characters onto an English keyboard? Anything other than stickers.

I was thinking to paint cyrillic characters onto each key using stencils. Despite extensively searching a dozen craft retailers, I was unable to find stencils small enough for the task.

Maybe someone from Russia or Ukraine knows a source?

I am also trying to figure out what kind of paint would be durable enough.

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I already designed a 3D printed keycap. I am waiting on a nozzle small enough to print it, but if its possible, there should be no problem, printing a cyrillic keycap.

For a dual color keycap(black and white for sign), you might need a dual extruder printer, but maybe you can print a keycap with a cutout for the character and then print the character seperately and glue it in place or sth.

I have no experience with printing key caps, but I will try this, possibly on the weekend

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Printing with a normal 3d printer doesnt work, at least in my case. You could try it with a resin printer, but I dont have one.

Thank you for the valiant effort. What do you think went wrong?

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The structures on the keycap are just too small for a filament 3d printer.

There is an obvious solution to this in someways moral delema. Please, create Ukrainian keyboard.

  1. That would be moral support for the nation (of about 40 million customers), attacked for their language among other aspects;
  2. Normal russians will be able to use that keyboard as it is only 4 keys which are different between layouts.

Ukrainians had to deal with fact that many electronics companies didn’t bother creating Ukrainian keyboards it is time to turn the tables, why not?

Russian language has nothing to do with morality. One can’t make moral judgments of individuals for a language they speak.

I know Framework is a startup so cost of production might be a reason… However in terms of sales it is fairly easy to ship a laptop anywhere in the world. Framework will be losing out on these sales based on lacking a support for a major language even if a limited amount.

Hopefully Framework doesn’t take up the “Russians bad” stance that is seen so much nowadays.

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Guys, I understand your frustration and as of native russian language speaker who is also not even a russian citizen I am a bit confused. But this is a cool company that even backed us with empty ISO/ANSI keyboards.

Go find some laser workshop and create your own US/RU keyboards or whatever you want to. This has worked for years with Apple laptops which my friends use, I guess we can do the same easily.

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@No_way_I_am_sharing - love the username. Thanks for the laugh!

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Hi, as a Ukrainian whose mother tounge is Russian and who stays in Kazakhstan lately, I’d be happy to buy a combined English+RU/UA layout for my upcoming Framework 16 purchase.

RU and UA alphabets are mostly the same with the exception of couple of different and unique letter, and the key caps representing differing letters have 3-4 characters on them (4 if there’s a symbol like ` or [ ).

Separate layouts do exist (I mean, out in the wild, not offered by Framework yet), but the ergonomics of them is kinda meh, especially when you switch back and forth a lot — I often find myself looking at the layout when I need those differing letters. (side note: Apple didn’t do a great job by making their default UA layout unlike everyone else’s, which messed up my typing habits for the rest of my life.)

Attached is some random picture of a combined RU/UA layout which I’d be happy with:

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I ended up paying for laser engraving for my Framework Laptop 16 with RGB US English keyboard, and it worked great: Сyrillic (Russian + Ukrainian) lazer engraving on RGB US English keyboard - #2 by ratijas

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