I really hope I can get a 240w charger. all manufacturers I contacted refuse to work with anything beyond 36v and said there is no way they would ever done that.
I remember somebody posted the link to this one - https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/delta-electronics/ADP-240KB-BA/23026419
But canât find who it was
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Thanks for all the numbers and discussion this far!
Already now: sorry for the wall of text. 
I thought I will chip in as a brand new owner of a FW16 and put some rather unscientific measurements into this thread.
I have opted for a setup with measuring the power at the wall socket with a meter [1] instead of a USB-C one. The main reason was that I found the only USB-PD 3.1 compatible device [2] in my region too cheap to be trusted to handle 100+W loads 
So⊠I had the following at my disposal:
- A 65W HP charger block [3]
- Even though itâs nowhere stated that the charger supports USB-PD, I trusted that HP puts out a compatible device, based on the listed, officially compatible devices at the page and also that I have already charged smartphones with this charger.
- A 100W docking stationg from i-tec [4]
- I love this docking station, I can only wholeheartedly recommend it (no affiliation)
- These measurements have been done with everything else disconnected from the docking station.
- A 100W GaN charger block from Baseus [5]
- I assume that 100W is the total available power on all 4 ports, I have assumed that 1 port can sustain around 60-65W. Look at the table for results
- I assume that 100W is the total available power on all 4 ports, I have assumed that 1 port can sustain around 60-65W. Look at the table for results
- A 112W charger block from Club 3D [6]
- I assume that 112W is the total available power on all 4 ports, I have assumed that 1 port can sustain around 60-65W. Look at the table for results
- I assume that 112W is the total available power on all 4 ports, I have assumed that 1 port can sustain around 60-65W. Look at the table for results
- The FW 180W charger block
For good measure for the blocks I used a cable with an integrated power display [7], and even though according to the not-existing specifications of this no-name-product it supports up to 240W, I donât trust it with the FW charger 
Originally I wanted to separately stress CPU and GPU on a Live USB of Linux Mint 22. For CPU I wanted to use y-cruncher [8], but there is a bug where the software does put 100% load onto all cores of the CPU but it does not want to pull more than 10W on the CPU, even if the FW charger is plugged in, and thus it puts out benchmarks comparable with Core i3 8121U⊠(low power laptop CPU, which is not a surprise as it does not want to draw power, bug opened at GitHub [9]). So, at the end I have only tested with Superposition [10].
Method:
- Put the monitor to the lowest brigthness possible
- Plug the selected charger into the wall socket power meter
- Plug in the laptop
- Wait for 100% battery
- Start Superposition
- With high scientific accuracy (also known as âeyeballing itâ), look at the power meter and record outliers and get a grasp of the stable load (if there is any)
- Record results on paper
- Start the next test as soon as possible (just after jotting down the results to paper and selecting the next highest benchmark; one benchmark runs for around 2 minutes, the whole cycle with one charger is thus around 10 minutes with short breaks)
Power in Wh min/stable/max; Points reported by Superposition, FPS is min/avg/max (as reported by Superposition), GPU temperature is ÂșC min-max (as reported by Superposition).
Note about temperatures: the i-tec measurements are pure, all the others were on top of a Cooler Master Ergostand III [11] going full blast (providing -5ÂșC when idling both for CPU and for GPU, getting it down to 42.9ÂșC CPU/39Âș GPU from 47.4ÂșC CPU/44Âș GPU as reported by sensors).
| Scenarioâ/Chargerâ | HP 65W | i-tec 100W | Baseus 100Wâ | Club 3D 112Wâ | FW 180W |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| SuspendÂč | 2.2-2.3 Wh | 4-4.3 Wh | 3.5-3.6 Wh | 2.4-2.8 Wh | 1.8-2.1 Wh |
| BaselineÂČ | 18 Wh | 25-26 Wh | 15-16 Wh | 28 Wh | 21-22 Wh |
| Max lightÂł | 26 Wh | 32 Wh | 27-28 Wh | 34-35 Wh | 30-31 Wh |
| 720p | 56/62/63.5 Wh 12431 points 14.11/92.98/142.60 FPS 31-66ÂșC |
78/85/91 Wh 12579 points 14.16/94.09/149.35 FPS 32-67ÂșC |
67/70/72 Wh 12090 points 13.91/90.43/139.63 FPS 31-62ÂșC |
67/68.7/71.8 Wh 12048 points 13.62/90.12/139.62 FPS 27-58ÂșC |
90/95/101 Wh 12850 points 13.74/96.11/158.24 FPS 31-75ÂșC |
| 1080p medium | 62.7/63.0/63.7 Wh 5067 points 11.75/37.90/48.56 FPS 31-71ÂșC |
79/85/92 Wh 4962 points 11.35/37.12/48.59 FPS 32-75ÂșC |
68/69.5/70.7 Wh 4917 points 12.2/36.78/47.23 FPS 32-65ÂșC |
68/71.4/72.6 Wh 4797 points 11.70/35.88/49.26 FPS 29-63ÂșC |
99.8/101.5/106.5 Wh 5301 points 11.42/39.65/51.79 FPS 31-80ÂșC |
| 1080p high | 62.5/63.2/63.9 Wh 3533 points 13.88/26.43/32.34 FPS 32-70ÂșC |
80/86/92 Wh 3472 points 9.91/25.97/62.62 FPS 32-74ÂșC |
68.7/69.5/69.7 Wh 3376 points 10.22/25.25/30.98 FPS 32-66ÂșC |
70.8/71.5/73.8 Wh 3386 points 9.83/25.33/31.15 FPS 30-65ÂșC |
96/101.7/108.8 Wh 3643 points 10.51/27.25/33.51 FPS 31-80ÂșC |
| 1080p extreme | 62.5/63.3/63.9 Wh 1632 points 10.06/12.21/15.44 FPS 32-72ÂșC |
79/86/93 Wh 1575 points 7.39/11.78/15.32 FPS 33-78ÂșC |
67.3/68.1/69 Wh 1556 points 6.89/11.64/14.66 FPS 32-66ÂșC |
68.5/70.9/71.5 Wh 1533 points 7.04/11.47/14.68 FPS 31-65ÂșC |
101.2/106.8/107.6 Wh 1690 points 7.52/12.64/16.09 FPS 31-83ÂșC |
Âč Laptop suspended and waited for a stable reading on the meter
ÂČ Running without any load, with lowest brightness on the screen, baseline value
Âł Running without any load, with highest brightness on the screen
â Note: based on the measurements with the two charger blocks, I have seen a difference of -4Wh to +10Wh reported on the cable vs. the power meter. Both have a 1 second tick for the measurements, which werenât in sync.
I tried to draw some parallels based on the public Superposition measurement and came to the following:
| Charger | Roughly equivalent to |
|---|---|
| HP 65W | CPU: i7-4770/Ryzen Z1 Extreme GPU: GTX 960/ASUS Phoenix |
| i-tec 100W | CPU: i5-4690K/Ryzen Z1 Extreme GPU: GTX 1050 Ti/GTX 1080 |
| Baseus 100W | CPU: i7-6700HQ/Ryzen 7 2700X GPU: GTX 1050 Ti/GTX 970 |
| Club 3D 112W | CPU: i7-4770/Ryzen 7 2700X GPU: GTX 1050 Ti/GTX 970 |
| FW 180W | CPU: i7-6700/FX-8320 GPU: GTX Titan/Radeon RX 580 |
(Links broken up, because as a new user Iâm not allowed to post more than 2âŠ)
[1] www.brennenstuhl[dot]com/de-DE/produkte/reise-steckdosenadapter/primera-line-energiemessgerat-pm-231-e
[2] www.amazon[dot]de/Tester-Messger%C3%A4t-Multimeter-Strommesser-Spannung/dp/B0D9YKHP79/
[3] www.hp[dot]com/de-de/shop/product.aspx?id=671R3AA&opt=ABB&sel=ACC
[4] i-tec[dot]pro/en/produkt/c31dualdpdockpd-2/
[5] eu.baseus[dot]com/de/products/gan3-pro-4-ports-desktop-charger-100w
[6] www.club-3d[dot]com/en/detail/2562/power_charger_4_ports_2x_usb_type_a_2x_type_c_up_to_112w_power_delivery(pd)_support/
[7] www.digitec[dot]ch/en/s1/product/onit-usb-c-usb-c-1-m-usb-40-usb-cables-39380775?tagIds=77-532
[8] numberworld[dot]org/y-cruncher/
[9] github[dot]com/Mysticial/y-cruncher/issues/52
[10] benchmark.unigine[dot]com/superposition
[11] www.amazon[dot]de/Cooler-Master-Notebook-K%C3%BChler-Einstellbarer-R9-NBS-E32K-GP/dp/B00PC2X1WU/?th=1
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Framework themselves did x.com
I actually found a listing on eBay for that charger shipping from China but Iâm not willing to spend $200 to see if itâs real.
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That article sounds more meaningful than it actually is.
All certified passive (ie. without internal chips) USB4 v1.0 40 Gbps cables (as well as passive Thunderbolt 3 and 4 cables) have been retroactively updated to USB4 v2.0 80 Gbps. USB4 v2.0 80 Gbps has only a minor increase in signal integrity requirements over the prior generation, as a result the designers decided against increasing the requirements for the cables.
That article is about the first cable available to be certified for USB4 v2.0 80 Gbps from the get-go, however IMO thatâs meaningless as all passive USB4 40 Gbps cables are certified to meet the same standard and have had 80 Gbps support retroactively enabled. The first USB4 40 Gbps 240W cables were certified nearly 2 years ago.
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Digikey has stock available now for $126 if you are interested.
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I like that the price dropped but it looks like those donât ship until December. Iâm keeping an eye on Mouser though because theyâre supposed to get 30 in stock next month.
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Oh thatâs awesome. Iâm ordering one now. Thanks for putting the effort into checking with them.
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Just got a charge from DigiKey, and the website has updated to show the chargers can ship immediately.
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Same for me here ^^
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Just got an email that it shipped.
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Just got the delivery estimated time, I hope you donât mind it being in french lol
It ships in only two days ! (fingers crossed)
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Any plans on posting a review / photos when you get it?
Somewhat interested in what that charger looks like but am not in the position to blindly purchase at the moment!
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Mine just shipped out. Should arrive Monday. Iâll do some testing to see if it makes any performance difference overall but unfortunately I do not have/canât afford to buy a USB-c multimeter that actually supports 240w safely/accurately.
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I can take some photos and do a bit of a comparison. I really want to take the new charger out for a spin once I have the thermal issue with my laptop resolved, so it may be a few days before I have some numbers. I donât have any hardware tools like the PD measurement either, but I should be able to pull everything such as computer sensors.
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Would https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0B5W5NKKN be an option? Iâve got it and looks good, but canât test the full range due to lack of 240W adapter and not having a dGPU.
That would be awesome. Iâm waiting to confirm it has a replaceable usb cable, just like the Framework adapter, before I purchase. Iâm not wasting money on any more power adapters that become useless after the usbC end gets damaged.
Looking at the datasheet available on Mouser, it looks like an attached USB-C cable 1.6m long and no included wall plug/cable, though it looks to be the same style wall cable as the 180W Framework one.
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