Lenovo w701. You told not me 
Really Ryzen AI Max plus motherboard have soldered rams the framework sells thats not acceptable. I am looking for proper socket now so i can weld and make it socketed.
You’re moving the goalposts on me. What new consumer laptop? BTW, if you don’t want soldered RAM buy a Framework 13, not a framework desktop. Sounds like you’re nit picking at this point.
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Sounds to me like he doesn’t have an inkling about design and production processes, and the things that need to be considered.
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Didn’t they publish their interface designs? Anyone can build a module for that PCI interface. A 3rd party could do a board with an external psu for the gpu if it made sense. Enterprising community members even modded the m.2 board for occulink output. That would be a lot harder to achieve on other designs.
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which is good, because of the latency (memory latency is 100% major bottleneck for “bad” applications). Slots are tradeoff!
which is cool, because of the latency. Why do you need Framework for regular PC build?
lack of arguments.
I can agree with most of this, but I’d still end up getting Framework on my next laptop (for now). I came from the Samsung Galaxy Book 360 lineup, which was powerful, but through their own software updates, it started performing significantly worse than it did when I first got it. I hated how they software brick our laptops to get us to go down an upgrade path, and I refuse to spend a fortune for some unique features, when they are going to disrespect my money like that.
Fast forward to having a Framework laptop for 5 months, I love everything about it, the easy repair, availability of replacements, and the powerful hardware. Sure, it lacks the touch screen I wanted, but it does great in the other areas. Plus, other laptops couldn’t dream of an oculink mod to get PCIe eGPU speeds.
What does suck, is the fact the Laptop 16 has been out for two years and still lacks an OLED screen upgrade. Or the fact that Framework has been in this industry for 6-7 years and still doesn’t have a driver software. Why do I have to go through firmware editing just to have a somewhat decent UX when I am changing my Macropad’s RGB or keybinds. Oh! How about the fact that they seem to never keep an inventory on Expansion cards when I actually need them, especially during the months when you’d think not many people are buying stuff.
Framework is still a “enthusiast” brand, which is why I don’t harp on them too hard about many of these problems or even the pricing/speed of upgrades. However, with the silence of what they are working on, or resolutions of fundamental QOL, it makes me question if they even want to get out of being a brand for “enthusiasts.” I love my Framework Laptop 16 and haven’t had any real complaints about the laptop, besides the low-quality storage cards (they die and corrupt data when left unread for a bit). I just hope they start putting some effort in, because there is only so much an individual can take when spending $600 on a $200-300 CPU upgrade.
Because they save money on everything and this is same reason nowdays boards not holds as long as old ones who still work at my house
Until SOCAMM comes out, this is what you get. Im confused where you are seeing Ryzen AI Max+ motherboards with slotted RAM?? Last I checked, this was a technical impossibility. Slotted RAM is just too slow and power hungry to meet timings.
A 16 year old laptop. That was a full-featured (and full-sized) mobile workstation.
That is less upgrade-able than the FW-16. Or 13, depending on how you count upgrade-ability. They have the “serial ultrabay” but that’s some proprietary thing that was pretty much only used for optical drives.
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