FW 16 Wishlist

Framework Laptop 16
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Hi
I’m interested in these great laptops, however I’d like the following specifications:

  • cpu 8945hs (no dedicated gpu needed)
  • 3x or 4x ssd m.2, with one being 5.0
  • support for CUDIMM memory or equivalent
  • oled 120hz screen, full hd
  • airjet cooling = no active coolers, check it out ! (for instance, Frore Systems)

kind regards
Carlos

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Why not but i’m not convinced by airjet cooling, nothing beats active coolers when under heavy loads

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It can be offered as an expansion bay, = optional
For high load gaming, certain peopla may prefer active coolers indeed.
However someone like myself who is very sound sensitive, requires a fully silent setup, especially when doing work that requires high concentration.
I have build a mini pc that is fully passive (hdplex), but a laptop would add to mobility.

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performance and cooling in my opinion is based on the race to idle:
the faster a task is done, the faster a cpu can go to idle again, and not need cooling.

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Frore Systems airjets created a good bit of hype, a lot of people have brought them up or asked for airjets, at least. But they did that by leaving out critical details, the power requirements to archive a given level of cooling. It’s massively inefficient. It would just destroy battery life so badly that it isn’t practical. And to a lesser extent, they also glossed over how much cooling a single module can provide. One is not enough for a normal laptop. And iirc it’s not even clear how well multiple can work together. And all the media outlets that covered them didn’t bother to mention anything that they noticed was left out, because hype sells clicks.

So, at this time, it’s vaporware.
Perhaps some day the technology will be improved to the point where it’s of some use, in some systems, but it certainly isn’t usable now. And Frore Systems has not shown any prototypes that are practical in laptops. Maybe they can get there, but who knows if they can or how long it will take. Until then, it is vaporware.

See here

For SSDs, perhaps they’ll have more room when they switch the LPCAMM2 memory. They haven’t announced plans to yet, but they don’t annouce such things until they are sure, and ready.

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With the Frore systems modules, even if the power consumption is not a problem, the modules require a massive vapor chamber to spread the heat of the small CPU amongst all the modules (1 module AFAIK can take 15W, so for FL16 at least 4 modules are required). Because those modules don’t act as fans, they act as heatsinks integrated with fans, i.e. they dissipate the heat from their underside.

This means the cooling solution would be literally tied to the motherboard, and won’t be able to accommodate additional cooling for the GPU in any way. Plus it would require more ventilation, which the expansion bay system would block from happening.

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I think this is interesting but a couple of notes about this.

  • First, it will probably be krackan point cpus
  • Additionally, it already supports 4x m.2 ssd with the expansion bay module. PCIE 5.0 is not really useful here as the performance benefits in most applications are not that good and there is much higher power draw and heat associated with pcie 5.0 x4 drives.
  • It would be much better (and still a good performance bump over normal sodimm) for power draw to go to LPCAMM2 instead of CUDIMM
  • It is unlikely that framework would make a new screen for the fw16, considering how expensive it is and how framework made a new display for its fourth generation of laptops
  • All the airjet cooling I’ve seen is either lacking in static pressure or airflow which struggle to work in a laptop

There will be specs lose to this for next gen maybe probably

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bro watched too many youtube advertisements

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I’d like to see

  • An OLED display with HDR
  • International RGB keyboards (like German for example)
  • A more powerful GPU module, maybe even nvidia, if it has to be. I think, the CPU is powerful enough to feed a RTX 4070m or RX 7800m or above. And since 240w chargers are just around the corner, the higher power demand should not be an issue.
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You’re not likely to get an Nvidia GPU. Nvidia has intentionally prevented other laptop manufacturers from making gpus upgradeable across different generations, and I don’t think they would be happy with framework’s idea of upgradeability, considering that Dell at some point promised that their alienware laptops would be upgradeable, but then nvidia just said “eh no you can’t do that”

Everything else is doable and probably coming in the future.

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You may be right on that. On the other hand, they sell desktop GPUs and are happy, when people are buying their newest cards.

Back to wishes, while I was installing wine, bottles and stuff on my Linux partition yesterday, I did miss an activity LED for SSD activity. There were moments, I didn’t know if the laptop did something or not.

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They seem to be afraid of accelerating laptops cannibalizing even a fraction more of the desktop market than they already do. I assume the make higher margins on desktop GPU cards.

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This is true. I believe the only reason they sell desktop gpus in the way that they do and not with a new socket is because of the outrage that it would be to not do that