Hi
I’m interested in these great laptops, however I’d like the following specifications:
kind regards
Carlos
Why not but i’m not convinced by airjet cooling, nothing beats active coolers when under heavy loads
It can be offered as an expansion bay, = optional
For high load gaming, certain peopla may prefer active coolers indeed.
However someone like myself who is very sound sensitive, requires a fully silent setup, especially when doing work that requires high concentration.
I have build a mini pc that is fully passive (hdplex), but a laptop would add to mobility.
performance and cooling in my opinion is based on the race to idle:
the faster a task is done, the faster a cpu can go to idle again, and not need cooling.
Frore Systems airjets created a good bit of hype, a lot of people have brought them up or asked for airjets, at least. But they did that by leaving out critical details, the power requirements to archive a given level of cooling. It’s massively inefficient. It would just destroy battery life so badly that it isn’t practical. And to a lesser extent, they also glossed over how much cooling a single module can provide. One is not enough for a normal laptop. And iirc it’s not even clear how well multiple can work together. And all the media outlets that covered them didn’t bother to mention anything that they noticed was left out, because hype sells clicks.
So, at this time, it’s vaporware.
Perhaps some day the technology will be improved to the point where it’s of some use, in some systems, but it certainly isn’t usable now. And Frore Systems has not shown any prototypes that are practical in laptops. Maybe they can get there, but who knows if they can or how long it will take. Until then, it is vaporware.
See here
For SSDs, perhaps they’ll have more room when they switch the LPCAMM2 memory. They haven’t announced plans to yet, but they don’t annouce such things until they are sure, and ready.
With the Frore systems modules, even if the power consumption is not a problem, the modules require a massive vapor chamber to spread the heat of the small CPU amongst all the modules (1 module AFAIK can take 15W, so for FL16 at least 4 modules are required). Because those modules don’t act as fans, they act as heatsinks integrated with fans, i.e. they dissipate the heat from their underside.
This means the cooling solution would be literally tied to the motherboard, and won’t be able to accommodate additional cooling for the GPU in any way. Plus it would require more ventilation, which the expansion bay system would block from happening.
I think this is interesting but a couple of notes about this.
There will be specs lose to this for next gen maybe probably
bro watched too many youtube advertisements
I’d like to see
You’re not likely to get an Nvidia GPU. Nvidia has intentionally prevented other laptop manufacturers from making gpus upgradeable across different generations, and I don’t think they would be happy with framework’s idea of upgradeability, considering that Dell at some point promised that their alienware laptops would be upgradeable, but then nvidia just said “eh no you can’t do that”
Everything else is doable and probably coming in the future.
You may be right on that. On the other hand, they sell desktop GPUs and are happy, when people are buying their newest cards.
Back to wishes, while I was installing wine, bottles and stuff on my Linux partition yesterday, I did miss an activity LED for SSD activity. There were moments, I didn’t know if the laptop did something or not.
They seem to be afraid of accelerating laptops cannibalizing even a fraction more of the desktop market than they already do. I assume the make higher margins on desktop GPU cards.
This is true. I believe the only reason they sell desktop gpus in the way that they do and not with a new socket is because of the outrage that it would be to not do that
As F16 G2 seems to have been pushed back, I think it is suitable to revive the wishlist:
FL16 is quite good already for what it aims to achieve, but there definitely are welcome improvements for me:
And some niceties:
Well, both of those are reliant on what AMD or Intel can provide for processors, but the problem there is that something else will probably have to be compromised. But also note that there are already 4 video ports, just one is dedicated to the built in screen.
The current FW16 can input 240W over USB, but only output 15W on maybe one port at a time.
I would like a future FW16 to be able to use its battery and be able to output 240W on all its ports as well.
For example, when I have a power cut or some sort of emergency, I would like to use the battery in the FW laptop to power other devices.
Lithium Ion batteries can output very high amps when they need to.
Then you won’t have power for very long, an hour if you are lucky. You won’t get more than 1C (85Wh IIRC for the FL16) from the battery, and a reasonable proportion of that is used within the laptop, so you certainly will not get 240W out of the USB socket.
If you want to be powering other things during a power cut get a proper UPS. They are cheap enough.
Good point, let’s compare the connectivity diagrams of 7940HS (Current Laptop 16 chip):
AI 9 HX 370, which would be a pretty bland “upgrade”:
Difference between these two is that you get native PD3.1 support on two USB4 ports, but you lose the second NVMe slot. Hope the absence of second NVMe encourages Framework to go with 9955HX3D instead 
Or in addition, although PCIe would mean a different motherboard design would probably be required between HX 370 and 9955HX3D.
9955HX3D — my wishlisted chip:
9955HX3D has a different motherboard footprint compared to HX 370 - more work when designing a new mobo
And for completeness AI Max+ 395, the one from Framework Desktop and the one which only works with soldered RAM:
Things I’d like to see.
-Input charging through the expansion bay implemented.
-More powerful graphics option. AMD or Nvidia is fine. Just because Nvidia has been hard to work with before doesn’t mean this can’t happen. There haven’t been many laptop based egpus but Morefine just came out with high end 40 series options and Asus has the ROG mobile.
-Quicker development cycles for upgrades and software/hardware fixes. I get it framework is a small company, but that excuse won’t last forever and really only works for a small percentage of consumers as a reason to put up with issues or products that are behind specs-wise.
