I can somewhat get the frustration about the desktop not being the cheapest product on the market. It’s the same with the other Frame.Work products.
Personally I would love more affordable prices too - hopefully in the future with a bigger user base and larger numbers. Building this base simply takes time though.
There is so much outside of price that you can appreciate IMO:
additional thought that goes into their designs concerning repairability / upgradeability / modularity (sadly more restricted with the desktop, but they are very transparent with the reason why)
additional thought and development that went into the case, extension cards, tiles (that are purely cosmetic but still a nice touch) - heck… even 3D printable files and schematics of many parts published openly for the community to build on
DIY editions and easy to follow guides and tutorials that you simply don’t find with other vendors
supported and tested GNU/Linux based operating systems
option to bring your own components - for desktop primarily SSD (which is always cheaper and even recommended by the team iteself if you want to save money - as seen with other frame.work products)
completely refundable deposit, being able to cancel any time before shipping, 30 day return guarantee
track record of the team & company concerning warranty claims, transparency and trust
active community that gives support, exchanges ideas, further helps improve the whole ecosystem
It’s kinda obvious by now that they are not competing on price. That’s just not possible for them at this stage.
If it’s all about price it’s better you go with another product. Even the team openly suggests that. Not to agitate you. I’m sure they would love to be more affordable for everyone. They are working hard towards that goal. It simply will take them more time realistically.
For a desktop, it really ought to perform higher than 22000 in Geekbench CPU.
Edit: Looking closer at the video, it seems to show the unit was only able to sustain just shy of 94w So, likely that’s a bottle neck with the cooling.
So, base on that, AI or no AI compute, the EVO-X2’s performance is rather sub-par.
Even my 2 year-old laptop has a higher Cinebench scores (in r23 and 2024) than that shown in the video.
Let’s focus on what the Framework Desktop and the HP Z2 Mini G1a can do in the coming weeks / months.
There is a PCIE 4x4 on the Framework MB that is unused in their case. This is why their desktop case is problematic to begin with. You could a) oculink or b) 10GB ethernet there…
Framework said AMD tried to come up with socketed RAM approach for Strix Halo, but couldn’t. If AMD itself couldn’t, there will not be any socketed RAM systems with this chip.
Those Thermalright’s look great. I don’t think they’ll have the 4x slot though, and the NVMEs are at the bottom. But we’ve only really had a look at the smaller one in videos so far, it seemed like one reviewer said the more rectangular box also had the 395.
And only HP has the ECC version, and has a 10GbE option.
Who’s going to ship first is going to be a big thing for getting my order. The GMK is disqualified for throttling.
Not sure what throttling are you talking about? I had mine gmk few days back and no throttling observed. There are other issues though but this has nothing to do with gmktec or framework. It has to do with how these chipsets are branded as AI and their inference performance is mediocre due to lousy software support from AMD. I have few other machines and mean my 4060 ti 16gb is visibly faster in inference and 5070 in another box is simply in another league. Sure you can load some big models and they do work but under 10t/s and it will only drop with model size and very fast. Both rtx totally wipe the floor with strix in regards to stable diffusion as well. As for gaming the 4060 I mentioned is still faster and 5070 is still in another league. And the 5070 setup was cheaper to build than framework motherboard cost. Current state of things is as is, i will try some other stuff like virtualization in my lab and maybe some model training but had no much time yet. Also gmk allowed me to buy in usd same price as US customers so I got it for 1.2k gbp. Not 2k gbp…
There’s a video review somewhere where it was throttling after a few seconds in the benchmark. If you’re saying yours doesn’t throttle then perhaps that is good news. The GMK is still prohibitively ugly in my view though. Are you talking about mobile or desktop RTX’s?
Desktop rtx, simply comparing cost to effectiveness here. Mine does not throttle. Simply gmk has a button on the case that will flip it into one of psu wattage like somewhere between 50 to 130 watts or something and on highest setting peaks at 77 Celsius. Maybe i was lucky with this one. Idk.
