I agree. All laptops I have own over the past 15 years had problems. At least with framework, you can either upgrade the motherboard, or just swap parts to trouble shoot easily. Plus, the community is very knowledgeable, thus you can get lots of information on how to troubleshoot certain issues.
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Iām a bit disappointed by the gaming performance, was always a risk as I never seem munch data on gaming performance on it before now.
Still sticking with it as my gaming rig is 10 years old and on deaths door and I need a laptop for work. I canāt justify a gaming rig and a laptop. Hopefully we will get a better GPU in a year or two and till then it still going to be much better than my old rig.
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All of them have their authorās names written below or above. I wonder, what theyāll answer, if you write to them about your suspicions. 
If youāre so concerned about these sources, please present some ābetterā ones.
Iām not a native speaker, so Iām not sure about english sites, but I do have a german one here from a big german electronics retailer, mentioning the following disadvantages of OLED displays:
- Shorter service life as compared to LCD or QLED, due to OLEDs being organic components
- Reduced brightness over the years, causing the image to eventually appear blurred, dull, lackluster and dark
Beside the longevity Iām also concerned about outdoor use, so I prefer IPS. 
A non-answer or a denial wouldnāt tell me anything, and the contents of those pages speak for themselves.
@the9thdude already did post a much better page. rtings has a good reputation, and that page represents incredibly valuable first-party testing. Half the reputable sites I come across talking about OLED longevity link back to that site.
Hereās what I think is a good article that covers the state of the industry: Why OLED monitor burn-in isnāt a huge problem anymore | Ars Technica.
Headline notwithstanding, the contents are basically āBurn-in is an addressable issue thatās getting better all the time. Know your monitor.ā
Hereās a YouTube guy whoās been abusing OLED Nintendo Switches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po8jAQjvd88 ā they put up a good showing for cheap little displays. He manages to get some very noticeable burn-in, but thatās after 18,000 hours with a static image with high contrast.
Iām not trying to say OLEDs are better for all purposes than LCDs, but the technologyās improved a lot recently. On the other hand, the search engines seem to be failing the fight against SEO spam. Itās better to avoid linking to those kinds of sites.
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Iām surprised by the 17 screws to access components, since I expected access in similar fashion to the 13. This slightly negative surprise is mitigated by the fact theyāre captive. The LTT keyboard thing is hopefully a one-off, but having an easy in-place fix isnāt the worst either. I didnāt expect āworld classā gaming perf from a 7700S, but itās still an upgrade from the 5600M that I used to have.
Itās expensive up front, but being able to fix whatās old/broken, without a whole new purchase, should more than pan out within one upgrade cycle. I have no gaming system at the moment, because Dell laptop GPU went brick. Itās absolutely unfixable, itās a paperweight now. I donāt have desktop gaming space anymore either (but I do have a great kid!), so I have to go laptop for the foreseeable future. I get one system, and the possibility that itās the last chassis I might need to buy is still worth an extra few hundred over what Iād get from another vendor.
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Thanks for the links, although my links were about OLED service life, and not about the burn-in issue. That one was from @the9thdude .
If I were to buy a Steamdeck, Iād probably choose the OLED one, but not for a multi-purpose laptop, that Iām also going to need for work.
Hereās another german review, this time not behind a paywall by golem.
EDIT: The review seems to be quite indiscriminating, but the pictures are the most detailed Iāve seen so far.
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Iāve read the golem review, thanks. But they have a few mistakes in their review. First one in the overview table on page 1: They say, it has two M.2 slots, which is correct, but forgot to mention that one of them is a 2230 instead of a 2280.
Later they claim, the USB-C port on the GPU module is a dedicated 180W charging port, which is wrong.
All in all a poorly researched review. But they have good pictures indeed.
I know itās not what was asked but I am keeping my preorder. I have three high end āthin and lightā laptops that are e waste right now because of basic stuff (touchpad, WiFi, battery, keyboard failures). Iāve already fixed my broken touchpad on my 11th gen Framework and in my eyes Framework is delivering on their promises. 16 may be a bit janky but as long as I can fix it when something goes wrong itās a win for me.
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Respectfully, the presence of a photo and author name are pretty meaningless. It was only a few months ago Sports Illustrated (A rather large sports magazine) published some articles written at least in part by AI
Sports Illustrated accused of publishing articles written by AI | Media | The Guardian
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Me too here. Iāve been using ThinkPads professionally since 25 years now, mostly the more expensive ones. I havenāt had a single machine without any issue during this time. Still I would say, some of those machines were really good. The bottom line is, a complex system such as these modern laptops will never be 100% perfect in every way, especially if it is a newly designed series. If you expect you need a 100% perfect laptop, donāt hold your breath, you will wait forever.
Anyway, I am very happy that there is an alternative now delivered by Framework. Those ThinkPads have been slowly getting worse and worse over the years, esp. regarding repairability and upgradability. Looking forward for my batch 6 FW 16 (maybe March?).
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It looks like most issues that have been noticed by reviewers have already been noticed by Framework. I very happy with the results of the reviewers units so far. A little gap in the module deck is no issue for me. And I will be using emulators instead of playing full on AAA titles, Iāve got a desktop for that.
My only gripe is about the price, but since there is no other laptop in the world that allows for this upgradability. It is worth every penny. Framework has a good track record with the 13th. And I cannot wait to see what they have in store for the 16.
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100% keeping my order. Iām confident any issues will be fixed, and I never expected the FW16 to have the best price for performance ratio anyways. I game and make videos professionally, and this is the only laptop that can be upgraded to keep up with their ever-increasing requirements.
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Iām definitely keeping my pre-order. Iām not super worried about performance per a dollar. My Razer laptop with a 1060 that I bought was about $2,200 when I got it. It was expensive, but it was a nice solid laptop. Iām spending about the same amount on the Framwork laptop 16, but Iāll be able to upgrade rather than buy a new laptop. Iāve also decided to get the DIY eddition and bought my own RAM and SSD, so that should make it a bit cheaper.
I plan on replacing my desktop with this laptop, so overall, itāll save a lot more money in the long run. Iāll be able to upgrade this FW16 over the years like I would with my desktop. Granted, it wonāt be as powerful as a desktop, but my desktop is also pretty old so it should still be a bit more powerful than my desktop.
Iām also super excited about getting a gaming laptop that Iāll be able to charge with USB-C. Thatāll give me more of an opportunity to extend my battery life while on a plane.
I do have to say Iām a little worried about the screen having too much flex. I donāt expect it break but it may be more than I care for. My Razer was pretty sturdy and Iām kind of use to it. However that still doesnāt change my mind on my pre-order.
I think the upgrade-ability is the most important part of this laptop for me.
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Perhaps temper your expectations based on the USB-PD source. If itās one provided by the plane, I wouldnāt be surprised if itās 5v@3a only. Maybe 9v or 12v @3a, more likely 1-1.5a (for 18W charging). Itāll be something, but not all that much, even without gaming.
My expectations are very tempered. Iāve seen 60w charging on some planes, but Iāll likely not have anything provided. So Iāll be using some batteries that I use for my phone so Iām well aware that Iāll be getting no more than a few minutes at best. But the important part of that is not requiring an outlet.
Iām actually hoping that the efficiency of the laptop will give me more gaming time than my current laptop.
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The last one I saw was 65Wā¦
It is even batter than the expectations.
Unless the firmware does something weird, trickle charging at 12/15/18/20w etc. is better than nothing. Especially if the device happens to be off.
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15W and to an extent even 5W should be able to keep you above water for medium to light usage.