There was a period of hype around this. Sometime after the entire rotating-screen wave and before the 360 hinge on the lenovo yoga(s).
They are ok, but they don’t solve the inherent problem if the displays’ long leverage arm, and you can’t even flip it back and use as a massive tablet
Technically with some clever designing you can, but the one in the pic doesn’t seem to be.
You can, actually. Just flip it all the way around and “close” the lid. I did this frequently. That said, with a 2014 era 15" laptop, it’s not something I casually did carrying it around with one hand just because of the weight.
Has anybody tried transplanting a Macbook Pro monitor to the Framework as a joke?
Unlikely to ever be possible. So I doubt anyone has attempted it.
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oh that’s how the tablet works. Very cool.
Yeah basically there is a grid of wires behind (a cheap piece of plastic, because mine dont have a screen) and you can just use your pen on it. And it dont require any battery whatsover.
Absolutely legendary technology. Patent, of course. But money talks.
And you just “transplant” that mesh of wires to be seated at the back of the display. cool.
It might add a lot of weight, however.
The only problem might be bezel size. because additional wiring (and circuitry) that is not horizontal/prependicular can mess up the sensing near the screen edge, there must be extra stuff beyond the edge of the screen resulting in massive, massive bezels which, frankly, make any laptop look like a brick.
And this, perhaps is why most other manufacturers (Microsoft Surface, for example), decided to not use this technology.
This is the bezel of my drawing laptop(Fujitsu T936). It’s as portable and lightweight as the current Framework.
My 12th-gen Framework is about to ship, and while the display is pretty good, I would definitely pay for an upgraded display (in order of preference):
- Pre-calibrated, 100% DCI-P3 Color Gamut - for photo/video editing, this would be great, and most of the laptops I would have otherwise gone with have better color gamut/accuracy
- A matte anti-glare option - I get that glossy looks good in the dark, but in bright light, I’d much rather have less reflections
- 90Hz or 120Hz - for me, 90Hz, is enough, but 120Hz is divisible by 24, so lets you do cine-playback judder free. I don’t think higher refresh makes sense w/ current iGPUs (although if there a Phoenix Point APU board next year, then Freesync support would be sweet)
- While 400+ nits is nice, 500+ would be nicer. Even if you don’t plan to use the laptop outside much, some extra nits seems to always be useful even just in brightly lit rooms
- Resolution is OK for me, I don’t need more PPI
- Also IPS is ok w/ me. OLED has a lot of caveats and I don’t think QD output is going make its way to laptops soon.
I’d also of course be interested in the E Ink displays people are working on. For me, a Kaleido 3 display (just enough color for highlights and terminal usage) would be amazing, but I’m not holding my breath for anything like that from Framework (or any 3rd party honestly) anytime soon.
I’ll second the old Vaio Flip option.
I had one as well that lasted for years, with Windows and Ubuntu. The form factor is absolutely superior when it comes to save space in public transport, workin on plains etc.
So if you can bring back the “Fliptop”. I’ll be happy
I feel like this could be done well in combination with the hinge design. The top would become heavier but that’s a tradeoff I think most people who want this form factor would be willing to make.
I want a matte finish display. I’ll pay more to get it.
After a year with my Framework Laptop, I think I’d rather have a display that’s an integer multiple of 240x160 (i.e. 1920x1280, 2400x1600, etc.)
props to you if you know why
Could someone with a framework laptop do me a favour and test whether you can see the WebKit logo in the Display P3 red box on their site? Examples of various wide-gamut images
My 2011 21 inch iMac (non retina) actually has wide enough coverage to show it when the display colour profile is set to ‘DCI P3’, beating out loads of other more expensive and modern 100% srgb monitors I’ve used since.
Not I @Dominic_Keen
Using an 11th gen i5. I assume I just needed to click the image and see if the logo was present?
Thanks @GhostLegion , that’s a shame, although I wonder if your (Windows? Linux?) display profile settings could be tweaked to reveal it.
Simply clicking on the middle ‘Display P3’ box should be enough in browser - however there are quirks to how browsers choose to display image colour profiles by default that could stop it from showing correctly. For example on Mac I could always see the logo in browser using Safari and Chrome, but had to make reconfigure Firefox to stop it from forcing srgb by default, and force it to use the Mac’s system wide P3 ICC colour profile setting, to make it show.
However the logo always showed through when I downloaded the image and viewed out of browser. I forgot to add it to the thread before:
Nope, a solid square of red for me.
ALSO, if you downloaded this and try to edit with Microsoft Paint, the entire thing is of a single color
Because you would think that if you are able to tell the difference between the various pictures of flowers (by even a little bit), then there should be something about the logo that you can see
I guess it’s because most things are not designed to handle 24+ bit colors (8 bit red, green and blue) and any value beyond that will be clamped
Unless, of course, you have extensive “beyond sRGB” capabilities, but this is a nice way of saying fancy “more color” (HDR, I believe) stuff is not necessarily worth it
until you have more support on things.
Windows 11 introduced some stuff. Maybe you should try them on that?
With a 12th Gen 1240P, under Haiku, I also only see a solid red square in the browser. However, if I click on it, it grows in size and shows the logo. But I don’t see a difference for most of the other wide-gamut examples comparing sRGB and P3 (but a hefty difference between sRGB and ProPhoto - with ProPhoto showing the red of the tulips as more of a brown and the the red of the roses as very unsaturated).
It seems really funny that I can actually see a difference using Firefox under Linux (plasma wayland) for all the images that seem identical in Haiku but no difference for those that I can distinguish in Haiku (especially those sRGB vs. ProPhoto images and, of course, the red square). The downloaded red square on the other hand is a solid red square in Gwenview but shows a logo both in Okular and as preview in dolphin.
By this point it might be the difference between “extrapolated wide color” and actual wide color (the browser/viewer might be scaling the image from the wider range to the normal range) or cropping off the ends
And then you have things like png which should mean that the image will be 8 bit
Just mentioning that the current display that’s shipped with Framework laptops can have its refresh rate set to 48 Hz. In the KDE Plasma Display Configuration, it is possible to choose between 60 Hz and 48 Hz, thought only when having the resolution set at its native 2256×1504 pixels. I tried 48 Hz and the cursor feels definitely less smooth, but it can be very useful when watching content that has a framerate that is a integer fraction of 48 Hz.
@David_Eastham I think the revolutionary solution would be what phones have, the always-on display, where you can provide more information when you switch off the brighter parts in low-power mode. If you combine this with a detachable display with touch screen, you don’t need to create a separate tablet product, if you allow adding a wireless display module to the screen part. I would like also note that, you can boost the Framework computer sales, if you sell without keyboard and display, stating that everybody has TV at home, and wireless keyboards can be purchased everywhere.
120 Hz is a better refresh rate as it can be divided by 24, 30 and 60. Meaning everything from a movie (24 FPS) to a YouTube video will play without stutters.
The optimal display would also support variable refresh rate and be utilized for battery saving (why refresh the display when the imagine stays the same? VRR is something already supported in Linux and Windows.