Physical constraints
ok. so not enough room. Whatâs the most room (a.k.a.) battery that can fit inside?
(yeah I should really get myself one immediately)
ML1220, nothing larger will fit.
thatâs actually quite tiny. Although I think my previous Dell also use that (and have displayed absolutely no issues)
Maybe battery supplier issues?
(You would think thatâs more prominent, since if it is a design flaw this issue would have surfaced immediately after launch, not a few months after)
Issues lie with Intel and oversights on Frameworkâs side that they could not predict.
@d_p my framework is my personal laptop and I use my work laptop much more frequently â usually only running the framework when I take it somewhere on weekends, etc. Itâs running Manjaro Linux (with sometimes Windows 11 in VirtualBox but then I always feel dirty!). Itâs a Batch 3 i7-1165.
Iâm certain I havenât run my Framework in 4 weeks (because I havenât used it since I was sick with Covid) and I just powered it up. It hasnât been plugged in since the time I used it before the last time I used it. Main battery is @ 62% and it started up without any drama. I didnât notice any problem with the time â although it mightâve reset the time automatically already if it was out. But I definitely didnât need to open it up to turn it on.
I do feel bad for those of you that are having a serious problem and I really do wish you luck sorting it out with Framework. In my experience they really are interested in making things right so hopefully this is just snafu on the support/communication and youâll get the attention you need soon.
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Do you recall whether you had to plug in the USB-C/PD to power it on after not using it for weeks? i.e. Assuming the laptop was completely unplugged all this time.
Not having to open it up means one thing: You didnât run into the Intel silicon bugâŚthat time.
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Hey @Richard_Lees, thatâs great! Just like @Second_Coming said, I have to plug into AC even if mine is at 60%+ internal battery and because Windows is my native OS, the clock must be set manually.
the board is also designed for a rechargeable battery and will attempt to recharge whatever is connected to that connector, I donât think a non-rechargeable battery would like that.
Yeah battery go boom!
As I mentioned before, some kind of adapter goes in the battery socket which leads to a larger battery thatâs wired to it. That or can the boards be retrofitted to just take power for this from the main battery?
@Peter_Schofield @Jason_Dagless
the ML 2032 is rechargeable thatâs the ML code
the CR 2032 is the non-rechargeable option
But the 2032 is too big for the holder so you would have work on that which would no doubt screw any warranty you have.
The numbers are a give away as they denote the size
20mm wide by 3.2mm thick or (2032)
12mm wide by 2.0mm thick (1220) though itâs actually 12.5mm wide
Note also if you use the 2032 which has 13â times the capacity it will take longer to charge it possibly depending upon what the motherboard offers
Well hoping for a fix or something that at least alleviates the issue somewhat.
Fingers crossed and all that! Letâs hope Framework let us know if they have any ideas soon.
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To add to what @Richard_Lees @Senhara and @2disbetter are saying, I have never had a problem with the RTC battery going low and requiring me to open up the laptop.
The longest itâs ever been off the charger is approximately 2 weeks. With the OS shut down, the battery dropped maybe 5-10% in that time. It started up fine and I put it on the charger.
When I put the OS in standby, after 2 days, the battery was completely depleted. I put it on the charger and it started as normal.
So it bears repeating that this issue does not affect everybody.
âŚand no, Framework doesnât pay me, Iâm not a paid shill.
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The time I was just describing (4 weeks not used and not plugged in) I pulled it out of my bag and turned it on - didnât plug it in. No power on problem and no RTC problem that I noticed.
I guess thatâs the main point I was trying to make about this issue â all units might have a fundamental problem with being off for an extended time but there is definitely some variation in how long the laptop needs to be unused before there is a problem, and the people who are having a serious problem if they leave it unused for only a few days are definitely not indicative of everyoneâs experience.
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During some of my earlier testing when I started seeing the issue, I had actually measured the voltage when the laptop was off and not plugged in, off and plugged in, on and plugged in, and when it was on and not plugged in. I believe the laptop also charges the RTC battery while just being turned on, so that may not be a conclusive test.
In all the posts Iâve seen where people have the issue, they describe leaving the laptop without using it, so it seems like just not charging it for a month, while it would drain the RTC battery voltage some, if you use it for an hour or so during that time, it may not drain to the same levels.
Could this even be due to quality variations of the RTC batteries?
I never had any problems with mine, but I preventively exchanged it with another one I ordered online as a spare because it was slightly bulged right from the beginning.
The spare battery instead was completely plain to my eyes.
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Yes quite possibly some are a bit duff. They donât have that long a shelf life and I wouldnât dismiss the idea that some where a year old. I donât see a date stamp on them ??
After dealing with this issue for a couple of days now (and going back and forth with support), Iâm glad to have found this thread. It seems odd to me that so many people are popping up with this issue at the same time, while having support say my âRTC battery was not the issueâ.
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did you get a fix? what did they say was the issue?
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@Sven_Hiller where exactly did you get your extra battery? Iâm finding ML1220s difficult to find at all, but willing to try this.