Wil there be an option to “trade” my battery? I’ve preordered the Ryzen 5 and it comes with the smaller 55wh battery and I’d like to purchase the larger 61wh battery. However, until the enclosure (hopefully) comes out, I’ll be stuck with a battery with no uses an I’d be out $69 (nice). It would be nice if I could send in my old battery in or just pay the difference ($10 normally, $20 at the current sale price) but I doubt that would happen.
Does this mean the 12th gen firmware update that has been promised since Sept 2022 to address various issues and security vulns will actually be released?
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I sincerely hope Coreboot was relegated to a footnote and it will be announced in one of these blog posts…
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I don’t remember where I saw or read it (maybe someone does and can link?) this but this is not going to be an option as the 55wh batteries were included to keep costs down for those models as well as to make use of all the 55’s they have stock of.
Interesting to see the v2 hinges have 75% of the v1 hinges rated cycles, thanks for the transparency and for addressing the major pain points of the laptop.
I wonder if the delays for the firmware updates has been for the 61 Wh battery, I’m not sure if I hope that is the reason or not…
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What constitute as 1 cycle? Opening 180 degrees and closing 180 degrees?
I have a problem with the following chart…as there’re two variables and it’s not clear how much of the improvement was brought on by the battery alone, or the processor generation. It’s not clear (to me) whether the 11% energy capacity increase (by voltage increase) means we can expect a linear runtime increase of 11%? (e.g. Doesn’t voltage conversion at different voltages has different level of energy loss?):
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Framework replied on Twitter saying that the battery alone does provide a linear +11% of that
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6Wh are 6wh, reguardless of voltage.
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For the cell, yes. But when that needs to be converted to other voltages for the components, then I’m not so sure. There’s energy loss / different component efficiency at different voltages…but I could be wrong. Or maybe the effect is very negligible with such a small difference in cell voltage.
I honestly don’t know…I’m asking. Something around DC-DC conversion efficiency…
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Could check by looking at some of the electrical documentation, but these cells should run in parallel so the overall voltage difference might just be ~18V to 20V, and Vsys is already 20V. Whatever power management/delivery probably performs very similarly at those two voltages.
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DC-DC efficiency is a thing, though with the ones I worked with load played a much bigger factor in efficiency than a tiny difference in input voltage. But anyway, the difference is going to be a couple percent at most if even that and is pretty much going to drown in the manufacturing tolerances of the battery.
Where did you even get the information that the capacity change comes with a voltage change?
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This article mentions a new 4.45V cell voltage, i believe the old one was under 4.
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Right, derp.
4.45 is pretty spicy, I really do wonder what they define as one cycle now, 80% capacyity after 1000 100% dod cycles sounds very unrealistic to me, especially at that spicy a voltage.
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You did say you charge to 16v, so you are significantly undercharging the battery, given that it would be pretty alarming have any measurable wear after just 62 cycles even if they were full dod (from your limit of course). You definitely do lose some capacity from undercharging like that, it’s not free but probably worth it. Also you can always do a full charge when you know you’ll need it.
rule of thumb with the 4.2v cells was you’d about double the cycle life for every 0.05v you drop the max charge voltage. Would be really interesting to see a capacity map of that battery, if it’s anything like most of the batteries I have mapped the capacity per voltage falls off a cliff above 4.15 but those were mostly 4.2v rated cells.
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By wear you mean just what the battery reports as energy full or something else?
A full discharge and charge lets the fuel gauge chip in the battery re-calibrate and give more accurate numbers, it doesn0t change the actual state of the battery except for the wear it puts on during that, doing it every couple weeks just for that sounds a bit excessive to me.
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You guys are really over stressing your battery fears. 
And this is in a laptop you can swap the battery over so easy…
Kind of funny when you think about it.
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besides, the elephant in the room is idle power, which is what brings battery life down. hopefully it’ll improve, but who knows.
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If I pre-ordered a Framework 13, does that mean I have to buy a matte screen later?
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As someone who bought the 4kg hinge, I would like to know whether the new 3.5kg hinges will have improved performance on the “resonance” issue (Explainer: Lid rigidity, hinge force, the CNC Top Cover, and the new 4.0kg Hinge Kit - #2 by A_Fan) versus the 4kg hinges. If so, it may be worth picking them up, even for those of us who already have the stronger 4kg hinges.
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Speaking of the Framework 13 and Matte screen, I am referring to the Ryzen version.
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