Good point! I edited the thread title and the first comment to include this case.
My intent was Framework can have a legal entity (a registered company) in the EU. So, if Framework has to have a legal entity in a country in the EU, hypothetically what do you think about which country is the best to register their legal entry in the EU? And why?
Thanks for the answer! Could you explain more about the “Startup friendly”? How is Germany more startup friendly than other countries in the EU?
Not quite to the point,
but regarding the Fairphone, which is a Dutch product, more people in Germany support it that elsewhere.
There is also the Shift phones
Hello folks,
I think there’s a significant misunderstanding of how international operations work and what it takes to maintain multiple entities globally for a company of less than 50 employees, all working remotely. While we absolutely understand everyone wants us to be everything, everywhere, all at once, we’re being compared to multi-billion dollar international behemoths as far as international presence, and even those companies aren’t everywhere, even to this day.
As a United States company operating internationally with offices in United States and Taiwan (Taiwan as our international shipping partner is there along with manufacturing), we are bound by different rules than EU-based businesses that wish to sell/ship their product throughout EU Member States.
Until we are at a scale with the appropriate finances, resources, and streamlined governmental authority to operate without what can only be described as crushing overhead, this can’t happen.
Yes thank for confirming, I wasn’t even happy that the topic was created, it seem far too much of an ask, even if only just to float an idea ??
Hi thanks for the clarification. I am happy if you remember this thread when you are ready to scale with 500+ employees or 5 or 10 years later. Is it a problem just to chat about the dream here until then?
Why were you not comfortable for that? If you feel uncomfortable for my question, “An EU office when?”, I am happy to withdraw the question. I don’t want Framework people to feel the pressure by the question. I just want to talk more about which city is the best for Framework EU office in the future without asking about when.
None. Remain primarily remote until business needs demand a change. Opening a physical location brings with it a bevy of expenses that are recurring, and usually come with contractual obligations. If the demand is high enough where a warehouse in Europe would make sense, I am sure at that point it would happen. If that did happen it would clearly be at a logistics hub.
Hi @junaruga. I just wanted to make sure there was an official response in here to address any low-hanging-fruit questions as to “why, Framework, why?”
As long the conversation is focused on where we might decide to set up shop in the future, and not on how to bypass our existing systems to yolo and yeet it across international borders we aren’t authorized to cross, have at it, and I’ll be following along!
All right. Bypassing your existing systems are definitely not my intention. That’s why I wrote the “Note 3” to focus on this topic. If I really need a new Framework Laptop and the time will come, I may plan to relocate to another country in the EU where the Framework products are supported. So, the current situation is not a problem for me.
I updated my first comment. I hope it’s better.
Asking users what they want others to do, in a public forum always seems like pressure.
There can be a million “What should Framework do questions” Unless Framework ask I feel it is unhealthy.
But no doubt others are happy to voice their wants and ideas.
Even when a company doesn’t have an office, I think the company needs to register an address. It seems that having an address where the logistics hub is a good idea. For example, there are some considerations when a company has an address in a country in the EU.
So, back to your topic, additional question for your answer can be where is the best country to have a logistics hub in the EU.
Why not team up with the guys at Fairephone in the netherlands ?
EU is complex market, many countries and languages.
I had troubles with my FP4 in france, support was well working.
They could even parntener to launch the fairphone in the US : https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/202005103-Shipping-countries-for-Fairphone-products-Europe-only-
All right. Perhaps, you might be thinking if you were Framework people, you might be not comfortable. But in the reality, you (and I too) are not the Framework people. I believe that in general, our imagination and association give ourselves a great gift. However, at the same time, we can take care of that those things may also hurt ourselves.
We are “very curious” to see what replies to our posts are going to be like now that we’ve answered “AMD when?”
On the Twitter page, the post says “We are very curious to see …”. I was thinking asking “something when” gave Framework people a positive feeling not a negative feeling, at least to the author of the tweet).
Sure but then there is not I and they, they are I. If they feel pressure then so do I, If I feel pressure then so do they.
Each of us feels the pressure on every entity it’s just as individuals each of us is so demanding that we hide the pressure we put on others by pressing forward with our own agenda, and so often called the greater good.
There is no no greater good just greater consumerism.
I’m sad and I hurt and now I am publicly so.
I will not respond to any further comments in this topic.
There is nothing to concern yourself with, it’s my baggage 
EDIT
People use this forum for help, help with the product and help with getting support for their ideas.
@amoun Maybe I was not able to tell you my words correctly due to my challenge of English. Sorry about that. I am happy with you, and I appreciate your great contributions on this forum. 
I know this is off topic, but I would like to know, when would be available framework for New Zealand, just to ship it there. Or what work around I would have to do to get it here? thank you
As you know it is out of this thread’s topic. please don’t write the “country name when” comment on this thread. There are many other threads covering it such as What countries will you be shipping to? .
Hi and welcome to the forum, as noted it seems you didn’t search the forum before you posted. You ideally can delete your post. I’ll send you a private message too to help.
I think that Berlin, Germany is the best city and country for the Framework EU office if Framework may have it in the future.
I saw Hackaday’s article about their event HackaDay Berlin.
If you’re wondering why there was no newsletter last weekend, it was because we had our hands full with Hackaday Berlin. But boy, was it worth it! Besides being the launch party for the tenth annual Hackaday Prize, it was the first Hackaday gathering in Europe for four years, and it was awesome to see a bunch of familiar faces and meet many more new ones.
And I also saw that Penk, the author of the Mainboard Terminal, the Framework mainboard-based computer lives in Berlin now by his Twitter. And it seems that he lived in Taiwan and Japan in the past. That means maybe the relocation from Asia to Europe was a big event for him, and maybe he carefully thought about which city is the best to live in Europe.
So, I thought Berlin has something to attract people tinkering with hardware.