Sounds like we won’t know the status of eGPU on the Ryzen boards until AMD’s reveal?
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Any reason why the battery and cpu are linked and cannot be chosen separately? Id like the Ryzen 5 and the 61wh battery.
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Unfortunately there will be no PCIe 5.0 for Ryzen 7040 series, only for Ryzen 7045HX. AMD changed their promise: Computerbase (german)
But at the moment the few available PCIe-5.0-SSDs are quite power hungry and need good cooling for full speed so they aren’t a good choice for a laptop anyway.
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Im so sad… I finally convinced my SO to let me preorder the Ryzen 5 option but now it is not availble…
Oh my bad forgot to mention I was talking about the AMD mainboard. I have 11th gen framework. Batch 3.
In practice, that’s not the case. Since there are multiple manufacturers that have been making thin and light laptops w/ Intel and AMD options in the same chassis, we can see the differences in standardized testing. I linked to the reviews a while back here: AMD CPU's, An Open Letter to the Framework Team - #69 by lhl
In summary:
- for the HP 14" Elitebooks with flagship parts, the AMD version had +23% battery runtime and +23% overall performance vs the Intel counterpart.
- for the Lenovo ThinkPad T14s, despite the Intel part being a nominally “15W TDP” and the AMD being a “28 TDP” part, the AMD version had a +35% battery runtime.
These are pretty huge differences - like a multi-generational gap. While the 7040s haven’t been reviewed yet, AMD claims even better battery life for the 7000 vs 6000 series (makes sense considering Zen 4 has better IPC than Zen 3, and that the 7000 moves from 6nm to 4nm). In comparison, the first reviews of Intel 13th gen P chips have come out and it’s not looking great - the Yoga 9 1360P looks like it has a 16% worse battery runtime than the 1260P version (with only an +8% performance boost and no updates to graphics).
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@anon81945988 @Charles_Hill @nadb @lhl thanks for your responses. I look forward to the first reviews and comparisons.
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Thunterbold 4 is basically just “USB4 with all optional modes enabled”! Hence, if Framework implements all modes defined by the USB4 standard, you could still use Thunderbold hardware on a Ryzen USB4 port. 
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From what I saw in the Framework discord, the Ryzen 7040U models only support up to two USB4 ports natively.
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Framework is just so packed with to much awesomeness I can barely contain myself in waiting for this Framework 16 AMD version. With all Framework allows us to develop along-side open source architecture I cant wait for Frore’s AirJet Solid State chip cooling to come out. I bet as soon as these get sold that people will be preplacing the CPU/GPU fans with these.
Man I cant wait for the AMD 4070’s to come out. I’m so freak’in stoked! If this goes the way I think it is then I may get my Corporation to drop their buggy-arss DELL’s for Framework seeing as we have multiple departments, Inside/outside sales, warehouse, ect…
Just buy the base unit and configure in-house as needed instead of ordering batches of DELL every couple of years.
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS TECH, do not sell-out to ANYONE. I think Framework may possibly put the kibosh on much of the industries laptop makers.
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@Hugo_Gonzalez It looks like they opened up batch 2 of the amd mainboards in case you’re still interested.
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Check now, preorders for Batch 2 of the Ryzen 5 board seem to be available! I was in the same boat as you, though I simply was on edge about ordering for batch 1.
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I just placed my order. It is in the (late) Q3 Batch.
My current 12th Gen Intel is great. But I do need a hot backup. The old Dell Latitude that is my current backup will be handed off to someone who needs one.
I struggled with wanting a 16", but the 13" footprint is just too nice for portability. I just switch workspaces to get more screen.
I have looked at many, many options for a hot backup, other than Framework. But the truth is that I love 3 things about Framework:
- The basic philosophy of upgradeability / expandability
- The ability to choose what ports and where they go
- Out of the box Linux support (often dubious for a random new laptop)
Framework is how I rid myself of the Apple/Mac ecosystem. I switched cold turkey over a long weekend, and I have zero regrets. My workflows and development environment are much better now that I am 100% Linux all the time.
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i gonna stay with my 12 gen for now even if i would like the amd
maybe i will wait for the 14 gen
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So do I. Since my current machine is 11 gen, the RTC issue becomes paramount if I were to switch it to backup role; It would have to stay unplugged for extended periods.
The day FW announces the right fix for this is the day I happily hand over my money for a new AMD machine and get in line/pay to send my 11 gen board in for the fix.
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Did the new motherboards got a RTC battery or rechargeable?
@dimitris I understand your concern with the RTC.
But in my mind, a ‘hot backup’ needs to be up to date anyway, so for any hot backup machine, I simply take it our every two weeks on a Sunday, leave it plugged in for 2 hours and update the OS.
That way, if I ever need to use it, it is immediately useful.
And while not needed, I also do a ‘git pull’ on all my repositories as a sanity check that the machine is ready to go.
In contrast to a true replacement machine, I travel with a Chromebook as an emergency backup. It would really suck to have a machine stop working while on a longer trip.
I confess to some level of paranoia - but Andy Grove wrote a book about it.
Good luck with your backup machine. 11th gen Intel is plenty powerful enough to do most work. (Maybe video editing suffers, etc.)
Bluto
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Hi @Bluto - no need to “confess” to paranoia, there’s some of that behind my backup strategy 
I guess I’m giving less priority to the “dropped my laptop” failure mode, and more to the “backpack got stolen/airbnb was broken into” one. In that latter case any backup devices would probably get lost at the same time as the primary.
So I think this requires some kind of “remote” storage of the backup, at least when traveling for more than ~ 1 week. Of course I risk some downtime (2-3 days end to end to get trusted third party to overnight backup to me) for this. Anyway, it’s here that the RTC becomes a bit of a showstopper.
BTW, I’m not even sure if plugging into AC for ~ 2h every 2 weeks would actually keep the RTC battery from a long term discharging trajectory.
Re: backups and “freshness”, remote cloud-hosted backup (already in place) should cover this if I have to break the glass. Goes without saying that regular testing of this is required to verify.
@dimitris
Yep - many scenarios would result in both machines ‘lost’.
My actual config is a ‘thin client’ 99% of my files are cloud stored. While this may raise some insults, I have found Dropbox to be the winner in cloud-via-rclone. Google drive is in last place ;-(
All functional files are in the cloud on Dropbox or in github. And I have bootstrap scripts. In the worst-case-scenario, I go to a local store, buy a chromebook, and in a few hours, I am operational. Chromebook is my default emergency solution because there are lower cost options, I can make it work with 8GB RAM and there is 95%++ chance of Linux working right away - albeit a generic Debian build. But it works.
I can have Zoom, Teams, Google Meet, VS Code, SSH, DBeaver and Slack running within an hour.
The biggest compromise using Chromebook is that the default Chrome in ChromeOS does not support Profiles (insert random swearwords in your preferred patois).
So I install Chrome (again) in Debian Linux and that supports the profiles I need. The same with Slack (who would think that Chromebook users want Slack???). I install it in Linux and it works fine.
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17 mA h × 3 V = 51 mW h, not 54 mW. While the number is reasonably close, the units are wrong. Also, dimitris appears to be specifically referring to using an unmodified 11th gen as a backup, in which case the main battery capacity is not relevant.
Unfortunately, it does seem like a potential problem more generally: the effects of the RTC flaw may show up more frequently as people upgrade, and 11th gen mainboards sit unused for longer periods. When I upgrade, I’ll probably keep my old mainboard running, but if people have one sitting around for a few months after upgrading before they decide what to do with it, it’s likely not going to work well.
(Somewhat off-topic, it appears that Discord replaces narrow non-breaking spaces and hair spaces with full size breaking spaces?)
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