Here is my response for @gmanny point this out.
Edit: I make that comment when I watching MacBook repair video and forget ethical stuff.
So if I understand you correctly, you agree with me now, that Framework is ethically superior to Apple?
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Are we having this argument before?
Well, I don’t exactly need a whole new machine at the moment, but is there any other company out there making Framework-compatible components?
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I just want clarity. Do you agree that Framework is ethically superior to Apple? Yes or no?
I will put my judgment on hold when framework make a statement about the recent event.
Will they keep sponsoring DHH or not.
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Framework never sponsored DHH.
With that cleared. Do you agree that Framework is ethically superior to Apple? Yes or no?
YES. THEY. DID.
I will put my judgment on hold when framework make a statement about the recent event.
Will they keep sponsoring DHH or not.
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No, they did not.
But I am open to you providing evidence.
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You can go find yourself, are you this lazy?
I did not call you names. Behave in a civilized way.
As about the evidence you presented: that is not sponsoring, but you knew it already.
I’ll rest my case here.
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Pine64 is surprisingly shady sadly. Their products I have to say are cool, but once you look into the history of their company you can see how shady they are. They basically drop hardware and then ask the community to do the actual firmware. Also just pure lack of communication.
To be understood I do own pine64 hardware, this is just my experience as being part of the community for the last 4 years or so.
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Panasonic let’s note series are also good choices, I think they have good ethical track record.
Never mind.
Looks like mnt reform next will be the most ethical choice.
I entirely agree. Pine64 is almost run like a factory-to-consumer supplier (think Aliexpress), but slightly better. They supply hardware, and only hardware. It’s a curse and a blessing. On the one hand, the community has to support everything, but on the other hand, most all of the firmware is open source and an excellent community surrounds the project.
Having daily driven a Pinephone, I would certainly consider a Pinebook or Pinetab if my laptop wasn’t my only computer (especially given the price). But I by no means am suggesting its a solution for everyone. Perhaps I should describe them more as toys for giganerds then actually useful laptops. Cool and certainly worth a look, maybe even useful for some people, but not a real Framework competitor.
Can confirm that basically all Pine64 products I’ve ever gotten have felt half-baked and are barely functional, and even ones that function when they arrive will often fail when a new version of the OS is shipped, and often they’ll start with 6-7 distros that work, and ultimately you’ll end up with only 1 working distro after a year after release, and that distro is usually Manjaro. That said, I do still have a few Pine64 products I use, but they’re far, far inferior to my Framework products.
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I think as far as modularity and repairability goes, the only ones that come anywhere close are Panasonic and their Toughbook series.
Personally, despite having 3 toughbooks and a couple of thinkpads, I’ll stick to Framework in the future.
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At this point if any of Framework’s competitors in this space have solid business ethics the best thing they could do would be to jump in this thread and disavow being interested in taking customers purely based on this nonsense. This mob will just come for them then next time around when some perceived slight happens from their court. Much better to play their cards hard the same way Framework has started too (and I hope they continue) just staying out of the weeds, making good computers, selling them on the merits of the actual platform (e.g. repairability), and broadly supporting the FOSS ecosystem.
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Unfortunately, all that shows you is the very last step in the process: final assembly location. Everything more advanced than a hand-picked banana relies on China in some way or another. The final assembly label doesn’t tell you where the raw materials came from or anything about the global supply chain, tooling, or anything to get to that final assembly step.
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