Applied 3.10 bios, still lost 27% battery in 8 days (fully shutdown)

Exactly. RTC battery drain is not fixable on the 11th gen. Nor was there mention of “reduce” RTC battery drain in the BIOS release note.

i.e. You STILL need to charge the laptop for an initial 24 hours…specifically for the RTC battery.

The crack it open scenario is only needed when you have a drained / low RTC battery, in combination with running into the silicon bug.

Regardless, I’m done wasting my time here. I’ll sell off the Framework, steer anyone who will listen away from Framework laptops, and consider paying the Apple tax again. (or a cheap, commodity laptop and slap Linux on it).

I get your frustration…totally. I’ve been there. Been there for months.

But people convinced me to hold onto the ‘platform’…until future hardware fixes / improvements come along. Meanwhile…for me, back to ThinkPads.

On the brighter side of things: The 12th gen mainboard seems to have better suspend drain, and additional circuitry to deal with / avoid the battery pull situation.

It seems like multiple issues are being conflated in this discussion. BIOS 3.08 and newer resolved all known issues we’ve seen around battery drain while shut down. Both our internal testing and the community beta testing confirmed that. However, this is clearly a report of a scenario where a BIOS 3.10 system has drain while shut down, which means there is an unknown issue around it. Please reach out to our Support team. We definitely want to understand what the root cause of this is on this system.

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@Stephen_Manis What operation system are you using?
By default windows has an option called “fast startup” enabled, that does not really turn the laptop off, even when shutting it down.
To check right click on the battery icon in the system tray → “power options” → “choose what the power options do” and on the bottom should be a checkbox "Turn on fast start-up (recommended)

I dont have a framework (yet, waiting for Batch 2) and i am not reading this forum for too long, so i dont know, what effect this setting even has on the framework… but maybe there is a chance :slight_smile:

@Simon_F I’m running Linux (Fedora 36). Regardless, I’m done here. I’m selling off my Framework laptop and cutting my losses. I need a machine that’s ready to go when I pull it out of its bag.

@nrp Will you please delete my Framework account and any personal information stored on your systems? I don’t want to receive any further emails from this forum. Your site doesn’t allow me to remove my email address from my account.

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Sorry to hear that :frowning:

Is there a bios option to keep any usb port running for power delivery?
Havent seen it in the original bios guide, but maybe it is outdated.

My last guess would be to enter the bios → Exit → load optimal defaults.
Dont know how that could help, but on each bios update of my current laptop, it gets recommended.

Please submit a ticket to Framework Support for this request. Thanks.

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Sad to see you go… Your journey started off so well at the beginning.

Hope you’ll come back in the future when the Framework laptop fits your use cases.

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Is this something that isn’t happening on the 12th gen laptops? The battery drain during power-off. I couldn’t find anything new about the expansion slot issue. But the latest LTT video mentioned that that should be fixed?

Maybe I misunderstood the problem. I thought the main battery was loosing charge during power-off. I didn’t notice it was about the CMOS battery. And since it is replaceable, it is not that much of an issue. Still, it’s wasteful.

Yeah, OP experienced two issues:

  1. Main battery drain even when fully shutdown with 3.10 BIOS.
  2. Can’t power up even when main battery has charge, until AC adapter was plugged in.

Me neither.

At this point, all we know for sure is that more and more people will continue to run into various forms for “Can’t power / boot up” and / or “Main battery drain” issues…until they’re all fixed. It’s just a matter of time before one would experience it themself.

BIOS release note states that “main battery drain during off state” (symptom) was fixed…but it seems like it ‘fixed’ one of the causes…but not all the causes. So the symptom is still showing up.

haha…anything that could go wrong, would eventually go wrong when given enough time. Or, as the Chinese say, if you go up to the mountain enough time, you’ll eventually come across a tiger.

Agree…the issue seems to be there, still.

In the OP.

Are you not following…or am I not following?

In 3.09 Beta:
“Reduce main battery drain in off state by turning off analog reference in charger IC.”

Now, given the wording of “reduce” and not “eliminiate”…is a drain of 27% of the main battery over 8 days the expected behaviour for BIOS 3.10? (e.g. It was really bad before 3.09…and now…not as bad?)

Right…what could…

I didn’t know this issue wasn’t fixable. I’m probably going to have to get rid of mine too. I often leave my laptop powered down for 3-4 days at a time and when I try and turn it back on, it won’t boot up unless I plug it into the wall. Never had that issue with any other laptop.

Oh well. It was a nice experiment.

I’m quite shocked to read this. I was expecting a laptop, not a desktop. Coming from Mac Hardware this is a thing I didn’t expect at all from the framework.

In fact I have my old MacBook Air 2015 also runnin on Fedora 36 which outperforms the framework in both sleeping and off power consumption.

Getting the feeling my choice of buying the framework was wrong. :unamused:

Simon

Hello, is there any advantage to updating to Bios 3.10?

When I try on my Windows 10 Home install it says “The BIOS image to be updated is invalid for Secure Flash or onboard BIOS does not support Secure Flash.” I’ve tried changing Secure Boot settings a few time with no luck.

Tim