If I tell my Laptop 13 to only charge to 70% is that going to stop it charging its battery to over 4.2V per cell?
I do not like the idea of trusting that a battery manufacturer claims its cells can stand 4.4V without danger or harm to their life. Most normal cells that are only charged to 4.2V last much longer if not kept charged to nearly 4.2V too much.
No it wont change that. It only sets the limit how far the battery charges
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Not sure what percentage 4.2v would be.
Are you on linux?
You can try upower -e then upower -i [battery_path]. It should give you both the current percentage and current voltage, so you can then find the place it hits 4.2v.
Charge percentage is directly related to voltage.
High voltage li-ions are made by all the major li-ion manufacturers. Furthermore, they are in millions upon million of mobile phones at this point. We’d know by now if it couldn’t be done safely. These are not just normal 4.2v cells which are overcharged, rather they are designed for higher voltage.
But of course you will get longer life from your battery by limiting charge. Arguablely less important in a Framework since we can replace the battery easily & at a reasonable price. Unlike most other laptops and especially mobile phones.
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Yes that will work 
I set mine to be approx 4.1V per cell via 78% in the BIOS
The Charge Level in HWiNFO shows 78.6% ~ reads high in Windows @ 79% (2 sig figs) and low in Ubuntu at 78% (Int)
I use HWiNFO and have a small window showing the state of the battery.
You can see my BCLevel is shown as 78.6% in HWiNFO64 and max voltage is under 16.4V i.e. 4.1V for each cell
After 20min
It may be safer, though I doubt that and neither has it helped my battery wear. I have a 12.5% wear after only 103 cycles, whereas the specs are 20% after 1000 cycles. I use my laptop plugged in 99% of the time and have reset the BMS a few times with a ‘full’ discharge and 100% charge.
This is a 28 month old 1165GT
You will also see I have edited the title as [Charge Limit] was vague and can cover many queries. I hope that’s OK.
Someone searching for just Charge + Limit would get this
https://community.frame.work/search?q=Charge%20LImit
Searching for
Search results for 'Charge LImit Voltage' - Framework Community will get this topic
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Thanks for all replies.
I think I will stick with my current policy of keeping the battery at 70% a lot of the time.
No, Windows 11.
It seems more likely to me that the manufacturer has been overconfident in the specification of their cells.
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Charge limits on laptops are usually based on capacity not voltage, so it’ll charge till the bms thinks it’s at 70% of what it thinks the current capacity is. One side-effect of that is that it’ll gradually loose track of what 100% is because it never hits the top and probably very rarely the bottom.
Battery degradation tends to be very non-linear with the first 50 cycles often having a lot of wear. I’ve seen batteries drop to 95% capacity in the first 50 cycles but still have 90% capacity after 500 cycles.
12.5% at 103 cycles maybe seems slightly higher than I’d expect, but may well be within the normal range and doesn’t necessarily indicate that 20% at 1000 cycles on average is overconfident.
Yes that’s what I read but it was under 4% for 100 then went to 6% and then 12% in a week or two
The wording is crucial. Yes the limits are ‘set’ by capacity. However although the applied voltage to charge may be 17.2v the load of the battery, in my case at 78% brings that voltage down to 16.4v. And with me using plugged in most of the time the voltage stays at just under 16.4v pretty much all the time.
Still if I allow the battery charge to drop the voltage will go up to 17.2v untill the set charge level is reached.
So @Brian_Gregory yes the battery voltage will be limited to 4.1v if I use the laptop plugged in and charged to ‘my’ set limit.
if on the other hand I charge it on and off, no matter what the BCL it will be charged with 17.2V until it reaches the 78% in my case or the 70% it that was the choice.
What I am saying is it will charge to wherever the voltage goes when it put 70% of the Wh in there that it thinks there are when full. It does not care where the voltage ends up after that (as long as it stays within limits).
If you set it to 70% (so about 42.7Wh assuming 100% healthy battery) and it thinks it has 20Wh now it’ll put another 22.7Wh in there and call it done. So with capacity drift the end voltage will drift too.
I would hope a good BMS would use a combination of voltage and charge/discharge energy along with a typical discharge curve to estimate what it doesn’t know for sure. But you’re right, no matter how good it is, it’s likely to need occasional help in the form of a full charge and a deep discharge.
And I’m definitely not saying I’ll never ever charge it to 100% or discharge it down to near 0%.
The things are pretty smart these days but stupid real world physics are notoriously hard to model.
That’s good to know. Hopefully, my suggestion that “the manufacturer has been overconfident” is largely wrong.
I guess I’m jaded by having recently seen Chinese cells marked 8800mAh that are actually under 800mAh and light as a feather.
The wear level estimates are also not particularly accurate (they are after all estimates). My prior Thinkpad at one point had the wear level do the opposite of yours and go from 15% to 8% in about a week.
Yeah, there are a lot of Chinese cells that are straight up fraud (or sometimes truthful about their capacity but have some other major compromises that make them not worth buying).
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Yeap! that’s what I thought and kept a log for two years. For two years it when down most times I did a full recharge then it just went up.
There’s a whole topic on this issue, so no need to discuss this here.
See this after one year ~ follow the discussion for two years and there’s link to my daily data included. It’s on a ‘woodland’ server starting http://217. . . . . .
Leaving this thread now
Take care
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If they sell stuff that’s above the fanciest cells from actual manufacturers you can buy it’s pretty much always complete garbage.
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These were included with rechargeable torches (flashlights) I’d ordered.
18650 batteries?
You shouldn’t use any questionable cells. They can be dangerous. Or any cell included with a cheap flashlight, unless the flashlight is from a known good quality brand. Convoy is one of the least expensive, which is still quality. Convoy Flashlight Store - aliexpress
You can also search for particular features you want in a flashlight here Parametrek Flashlights
For flashlight or battery questions reddit.com/r/flashlight (they are welcoming & friendly there).
If you do buy random cheap flashlights, either don’t get cells with them, or dispose of the included cells and use actual quality cells. If used with questionable flashlights they should be “protected” cells. Li-ion fires are nasty, not worth saving a buck.
The highest capacity 18650s were 3600mAh the last I looked. Anything higher is not currently available from any manufacturer. So a cell marked higher is lying & is usually just straight up dangerous junk.
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Had decided not to continue this BCL Limit to voltage Topic as I considered it had all been said. However I hadn’t muted the topic, but will now as the discussion is now about batteries and quality and a depressing discussion talked about elsewhere and drags this topic off-topic.
Bye
That does not inspire more confidence XD