I have an 11th gen framework from 11/2021(1.25 years old). My battery stats are:
80 cycles
capacity of 96.0246%
BIOS charge capped at 80%
It’s on 24x7, and most of the time it’s plugged in. The usage is mostly light(web browsing/text editing/email) a couple hours a day.
Everything seems fine so far. I surely worry about the battery far more than I need to. Especially considering it’s so inexpensive and easy to replace if there’s ever a problem with it.
I took the battery out of the laptop to look for a manufacturing date on the bottom(I couldn’t find one). It was securely held in with screws and plastic tabs instead of god awful adhesive. The screws were numbered and captive(impossible to loose). It’s hard to imagine a significantly more user friendly experience!
12th gen i7-1260p here.
After 4 months (received 13 Oct. '22) my battery capacity is currently reading as 98.5162%.
Only 9 charge cycles used.
Plugged into mains power > 95% of the time.
Charge limited in UEFI settings menu to 65%.
In the first week to 10 days I used it regularly off mains power and was charging it to 100 %; within the first week the battery capacity dropped to about 94.5%.
I did a bit of reading up on the battery here and did a couple of full discharge/recharge cycles and set the charge limit in the UEFI settings. Since then the laptop is rarely used off mains power and with the 65% charge limit the capacity reading has climbed back to about were it was when first used at about 98.5%.
12th Gen i7-1260p. I’ve found that the indicated battery wear is completely inaccurate. It goes up to 10% or so when gaming, and drops back down to 2% when idling. Currently indicating 4% while I’m typing this.
Part of the reason is that it seems to miscalculate battery wear when the laptop is drawing more power than what the charger can provide.
I have had a Pixelbook for 4 1/2 years. When I first got it I researched this
question but found no decisive answer as to constant vs nonconstant
charging, so I keep my computer charging during the day and off at night.
After 853 cycles the battery health is 79%. The length of retaining a charge
when not plugged in has dropped somewhat, but has never been an issue
for me. When the battery dies, I intend to replace it or buy a Framework.
Hi and welcome to the forum.
Here is a summary of the battery wear on my 1165 after 1 year.
Initially I didn’t think much about it and didn’t know I could check it for a couple of months etc. which explains the lack of data in the following graph of the first six months.
I had no idea of the cycles for months and the first few figure for wear were from the Windows powercfg.exe which showed a) the initial at 3.4% and the lowest at 2.9%
I was concerned by the 7.4% after 3 months and so took the battery down to 2% and then charged to 100%. This seemed to bring the wear down.
The second six months from Aug 22 to Feb 23 are quite informative in that each time I ‘reset’ the battery I get an improved measure of wear. So much so that today’s figure of 3.5% is only 0.1% above what was the initial value and only 0.6% above the low value recorded a week after i.e. 2.9%
So here is the graph of the last six months showing also the running average which is now at 4.49%
I nearly always have the laptop plugged in when I am using it. Each day the lowest figure is usually in the morning after the battery has rested for the night.
Both the battery health and wear counts are inaccurate so there is no real use in graphing it as it may cause fear to newcomers thinking that the batteries are very low quality.
Whereas the read outs may be ‘inaccurate’ they show a trend.
That the wear drops most often after I charge the battery to 100% every month or so could just show the battery is still opening up.
Note I have only recorded 61 cycles after a year (Feb 28th 2022) and the battery is rated at 1000 in 2 years for a 20% drop. i.e. 2% per year at 100 cycles.
Given the low cycle rate where I may not even use 200 cycles in 2 years it is not unreasonable to see low wear after a year. Further other users have reported similar.
So although your comment may be correct in that the ‘measuring’ is a bit rough I don’t see how the graphs are such a problem.
Sure some people may have stats that show a higher level or wear but with this data they can see the charging routine and by following the link they can see the multiple daily measurements.
Fo example, not shown, I have started another table of date this month
At 00:22 the wear was 5.3% so I charged the battery from my usual 78% to 100% whilst using it until 01:19
At 01:19 the wear was 4% so I shut down for the night
At 09:33 the wear was 3.6% so reverted the Battery charge limit to 78%
Regarding that quote
Do you mean if they don’t have a similar low wear after similar use of mostly on mains as otherwise what would they have as a comparison
On a more philosophical note fear is not caused by external events or awareness but an individuals ability to cope with a ‘reality’ they are not used to.
I’m a bit of a freak and often get rude comments as my appearance is challenging, and when I open my mouth even more so, but I am not the cause of other people’s stress etc.
from a certain point of view, or in a certain sense, the wear exists
from a certain point of view, the wear does not exist
from a certain point of view, the wear exists and does not exist
from a certain point of view, the wear is inexpressible
from a certain point of view, the wear both exists and is inexpressible
from a certain point of view, the wear both does not exist and is inexpressible
from a certain point of view, the wear exists, does not exist, and is also inexpressible
After a bit more than 1 year of ownership used mostly plugged in with a 75% charge limit I’m down to 90.3% capacity. My reported cycles are 104 but my cycles were stuck for some time so it is hard to estimate that accurately but I would put them closer to 120 than 104.
I have not done a full charge very recently but I will try that and see how much this value changes.
I don’t have records of the initial capacity however I remember it was below 100% (54.XX Wh). I have a record two months after purchase with a value of 98.4%, 9 days later 97.3% and 40 days after that 97.1%.
Edit: Seems I made a prior post before forgetting my OOTB value.
Let’s see if I’m wrong and in 2 months time have fallen below the 80% mark did I get a bad battery or is the charge limit behaviour causing some degradation? I’m very carefuly to not stress the battery with heat or deep cycles/fully charging it… My old iphone 3GS had 86% after 500 cycles…
UPDATE: Immediately after this post I checked and it is 5.1% so that is a 2% increase during the day whilst the laptop has been of so ??? EDIT UPDATE: By 11am the following morning it has dropped to 4.0%
Almost invariably morning readings are lower, so room temp may be significant as my cabin in the woods cools a lot overnight.
I suppose I’d best contact support and see if they will tell me exactly how the BMS is implemented and how the info is made available.
Have just submitted a support request and clearly didn’t notice the url until is was too late. It seems I have now given my email address to some turd party.
Yes it is the correct one I just don’t like it when companies use third party businesses to route and monitor the requests. kustomer.help has been going since 2015
Next time I will directly email support. I’m usually more careful ??
UPDATE: I have sent a letter noting my displeasure with the third party use whilst asking for exact details on how the BMS works, I imagine it’s a part of the battery pack and further, how that info is made available for the OS
We use Kustomer as our ticketing system and have since our inception. Any frame.work domain linking to support is simply a mask as we’re utilizing Kustomer’s cloud platform. This is common practice. Knowledge Base/Support Tickets… Kustomer. Guides… Dozuki. Bugs… Jira. Welcome to 3rd Party tooling and platforms for business.
