Our posts here in support of ECC memory have the purpose of influencing the decision before the design is finalized.
We would hate if Framework saves a few pennies of copper on the board to leave out the ECC traces from the DIMM to the CPU. Or in general if ECC wasn’t considered during design.
For me personally ECC support would turn AMD Framework laptops from an interresting option into a must-buy.
If this is not the right place to give feedback on future Framework laptop specs then please redirect us to the right place!
More information on our Framework Laptop 13 (Ryzen 7040 series) and Ryzen 7040 series mainboards will be released at a later date. The $100 deposit is fully refundable should the released specs not meet expectations. This is all under embargo.
I’d agree that ECC support would be neat to have if like you mentioned, it was just about physically supporting it with the traces. And while it would make sense for the Dragon Range memory controllers to support ECC (and who knows, maybe it’d work?), the official spec sheet from AMD says it’s doesn’t: https://www.amd.com/en/product/13016#:~:text=ECC%20Support
Historically, Ryzen APUs (so like the 7040 Phoenix) have had “PRO” versions w/ ECC support. I guess we’ll just have to see.
I’m surprised you’d say that - Kieren, ctl, and nrp were all “seen” an hour ago according to Discourse. Here are the Framework team members on the forum: Framework team - Framework Community
Obviously the product team reads (and even directly solicits feedback here on the forums and other places like HN/Reddit so I think it’s pretty uncharitable/oddly antagonistic to respond so snarkily to a community member this way and I’d be pretty sad if the new comms policy is to just to tell people to shut up, take their money and go home.
(I realize I’m combining 3 different responses, but added together, IMO it’s not a good look).
Yeah, I got that part, but the immediate followup of “The $100 deposit is fully refundable should the released specs not meet expectations.” makes it sound like sure we read this (and PR voice we don’t care).
There was no snark as it was a light-hearted joke to clearly acknowledge that we are all reading the forum, including myself, a member of the Framework Team.
It has absolutely nothing to do with “we don’t care” and everything to do with, “we’re under information embargo and are not authorized to provide more information at this time”. I mentioned the embargo in my previous post.
I’m not offended btw, I spend a lot of time here, and I don’t want to run this too far off track, it just felt weird to me to see the “first time poster, let’s welcome them to our community!” banner and then get like a bunch of posts that came off to me like “not taking any suggestions, just don’t buy it if you don’t like it.”
I haven’t had my coffee this morning yet, so if that’s not how it was intended, that’s cool.
Back on the ECC side, I will say, all the embargo talk did get me to do one more lookup since I was like are Phoenix details really not public, and in fact they are. Here’s the full specs for the 7840HS: https://www.amd.com/en/product/13041
And here’s the interesting part, while 7945HX is listed as not having ECC support, in this case, the 7840 (non-PRO) is listed as having support for the
DDR5 (FP7r2) version.
Well, this thread took a dark turn. Bottom line, we can’t share more information at this time per instructions from AMD, and yes, it was not ideal to launch preorders without being able to share specs, but here we are. Things unfortunately pivoted at the last minute.
The $100/100 Euro/100 Pound deposit is absolutely refundable, as per my previous comments, and I was simply making a point that people were not locked into a purchase if the specs/information don’t meet expectations.
If I contributed to that, I’ll edit and apologize. I did not want to come across as unwelcoming or dismissive, but I was trying to manage expectations - everyone’s free to ask these questions and debate and speculate all you like, but there will not be any definitive answers right now. And it’s not to be mean or anything, it’s just a fact.
The question is: will the 16" have ECC support? The most accurate answer is: we don’t know. We don’t even know what CPUs the 16 will have - it’s quite far away.
I am definitely not an ECC naysayer, my old Supermicro FreeNAS/TrueNAS build can attest to that. It’d be great to replace it with a Framework mainboard with ECC for extra security with its copy-on-write ZFS filesystem. Will it happen? No one knows right now.
Thanks everyone for the information; I guess for the Framework Laptop 16 we still have to wait, but like @Mark_K and @lhl wrote I think having ECC support turns the Framework Laptops into must-buys as well… especially for the potential of being upcycled into something useful long after the motherboard+cpu underperform compared to their contemporaries in 3 - 7 years.
That said, I also didn’t see any mention of ECC support for the Framework Laptop 13?
