Haha memory overclocking would be great, I’m not certain if it’s supported by the proccessor though! Intel has a thing with locking down features that used to be up to the motherboard manufacturers!
Only thread I found related to this:
Rather lonely guy…
Edit: Tbh XMP isn’t great for power consumption though, I’d prefer raw memory overclocking
I don’t really know much about XMP and mobile proccessors though, I’d have to do more research to see if it’s even possible!
Edit #toomanyedits: Looks like it’s only available ever on high end gaming laptops.
At least on desktops, people have been able to do it on “locked” 11th Gen CPUs. I think XMP is kinda easier on support for troubleshooting though. I had overclocked RAM on my 5900x PC but switched back because I needed rock solid stability.
That sounds promising! If it’s possible XMP would be amazing! Although desktops are also just as a fact less controlled by the chip manufacturer. I do agree with XMP being more stable, but it also leaves a fair bit of performance on the table as well as power reductions (although it typically goes in the other direction)! Haha I’ve also had my fair share of memory related crashes :).
Not trying to single out amoun, but you are the most recent person I’ve seen here to take another person’s post a little too seriously, so I’m using you as an example. I just want to remind everyone commenting on this thread, that it was started by a user as a way of discussing all things that users want to see in the future of Framework products, both existing and new.
What I’m trying to say is that this thread is neither a list of things that Framework HAS to do, nor is it a thread of things that Framework will NEVER do. It is equally likely that things talked about here will or will not be implemented in the future.
Most importantly, lets all try to keep the conversation civil. There is no reason to put others down for the things that they share, just like there is no reason that you should get angry if the ideas you share here never end up becoming reality. We want to encourage the sharing of creative ideas and innovations that could be.
P.S. Another thing is that just because Framework may not implement the ideas in this thread, does not mean that there isn’t precedent for community mods/upgrades based on ideas from this thread!
Having used one from Asus for the past couple of days, it’s really great for content consumption at the very least. To content creators, I’m guessing this would contribute to being a deal maker / breaker.
I was excited about the new 120Hz Asus OLEDs on their new Vivobook S’s, but there are a couple gotchas - while they advertise 600 nits, it’s only for HDR mode. For non-HDR content, brightness was measured to be limited to <400 nits. The other issue is that PWM was measured at 240Hz, which seems like it would be problematic for a lot of people. Here’s Notebookcheck’s review of the 2022 Vivobook S 14X’s display (Intel version): Asus VivoBook S 14X S5402Z review: World's first 14.5-inch 2.8K 120 Hz OLED laptop - NotebookCheck.net Reviews
I’m all for a higher-end display upgrade option but I’d like at least 500-600 real nits available for brightness, and no PWM flicker for an upgraded (120Hz VRR, 100% DCI-P3 color gamut) display. Asus actually uses a for me, a panel that covers all the bases (NE140QDM-NX1/BOE0A1D) for their 2022 ROG Zephyrus 14, but it’s 16:10, so the exact model wouldn’t fit in the Framework.
I use the ignore feature to deal with this sort of thing. I freely ignore those who have an axe to grind, are habitually angry, and those prolific posters who just seem to like the sound of their own voice while adding little to the conversation. Great feature that allows me to just get on with learning from others and accessing the information I’m looking for.
It would be cool to see a gaming laptop that you can upgrade but be cheaper to upgrade then to buy a new one i would totally buy one if they ever make one
Not sure where to put this but I am interested in developing a ultrathin desktop/portable gaming/GPU compute platform using mainboard, but there’s a few little things I really wish it had.
Bios-level adjustments for the following:
XMP support, memory frequency adjustment, memory timing adjustment, support for 1.2v and 1.35v dram voltages
vCore offset +/-
2nd M.2 slot, a necessity for attaching a GPU efficiently without having to use SATA or USB for a boot disk, and also providing further modularity for expansion cards. Thunderbolt just isn’t enough bandwidth.
Support for higher performance cooling options, either something designed in-house or some kind of pure copper adapter plate to use with existing products so it can handle the boost clock TDP continuously without thermal throttle.
Starting to use my Framework laptop a bit more recently (now that it has the hinge fixed). And I’d like to see if the fingerprint authentication experience can be improved:
Power button-initiated power up to capture fingerprint at that first power button press, then pass to Windows for authentication without further user interaction.
Trackpoint and MXM.
Trackpoint is an accessibility thing. I’m thankfully young and my arms work fine, but for people with limited mobility, Trackpoint is very helpful. It’s not under patent or anything, it was introduced over 20 years ago and there are other companies making keyboards with it.
MXM is not wanted for upgradeability, I’d be fine if the Framework shipped with an MXM Rage 128 Pro. Right now, I can vouch for KDE Plasma 5 running buttery smooth on a GMA 950 with 64MB VRAM. I understand the adage of “you’ll want to upgrade the CPU at the same time anyway so why bother”. It’s wanted for extra repairability. A faulty GPU could pretty much end a laptop right then and there. It’s bad enough if the laptop is a few years old, way worse if it came from the factory with a dead iGPU. The MXM scene is a little dire right now for sure, but I feel like this is something that should be looked into because it’s one less thing that can render your whole mainboard e-waste, and it might help revitalize MXM at least a little as well. That’s especially important for me, who likes to get a decade of use out of my hardware.
Chip failure is very low as far as failure rate is concerned and if the iGPU were dead from the factory…then it would obviously be covered under warranty and of no real concern to you, especially since QA would prevent such a laptop from even being produced, Intel won’t sell a defective chip like that. If the iGPU is defective, they bin it as an F-SKU and market it as such. MXM seems on it’s way out and Framework doesn’t have the market share to in any way halt or arrest its demise. Besides, MXM would actually create another point of failure and hurt repairability as the likelihood of finding replacement parts will steadily shrink as MXM vanishes into obscurity.
That still generates a fair bit of waste since you have to burn the oil to get it back to Framework instead of just ordering a new card.
They might not, but that doesn’t mean it can’t get damaged afterward.
Isn’t DDR4L SODIMM also vanishingly rare, at least on laptops of this sort? Sure, it’s more common than MXM, but both are usually most found on gaming laptops. The most recent MXM release I can see on TPU is the Quadro RTX 5000, but I also follow the Powerboard Tyche project, and their supplier is not only still making MXM cards, but they’ve just recently updated to GDDR6.
I fail to see how going from “literally unrepairable” to “theoretically repairable if it’s still being made” is a downgrade. At worst, there’s no diffrence, but I can hop on eBay right now and get myself a Voodoo3 3000 PCI if I want one. You would have had a point about the socket corroding or breaking off, but even then, sockets on IBM 5150s are just fine, as long as they use good quality parts it shouldn’t be an issue.
Yeah but that’s all hypothetical, Intel checks the dies before shipping them to any manufacturer for integration, it wouldn’t even leave the fab like that.
Again hypothetical and that also applies to any MXM GPU as well being damaged and if the CPU die gets damaged and the GPU die doesn’t…it’s still dead Jim.
I don’t know of any SODIMMS that are DDR4L, I’d actually be interested in seeing that.
Your link says otherwise. They had to switch suppliers and AMD is no longer producing MXM cards. That’s a direct quote.
True, but that’s like saying that socketed RAM is pointless for repairability because if the CPU gets damaged the whole system is dead. I’d love for socketed CPUs to be back too, but MXM is at least a start and easier to get ahold of for low power parts.
From my understanding (and a quick sanity check), it seems like most DDR4 SODIMMs are DDR4L? It wasn’t in the DDR4 spec as of 2019 but 1.05v was the agreed upon unofficial standard. But then other sources say it’s all regular DDR4… I assume some weirdness happened, the same weirdness that caused 1GB PC133 SODIMMs to exist, but that it wasn’t official. Whether DDR4 or DDR4L, either one is rarer and rarer as time goes on.
Fair enough, that’s what I get for going off memory, but the fact there are GDDR6 MXM cards (which they brought up in this post, not that one) at all is a glimmer of hope. Dell is still selling the Alienware Area 51m that has both MXM and a socketed 2070 Super, so that’s promising.
ehhh, to an extent that is true. I’d argue that SO-DIMMS are much easier to get as a consumer vs MXM modules but you are right that if the GPU dies on an MXM modules it would be easier to replace. That still doesn’t negate the fact that having an iGPU doesn’t adversely impact repairability. The iGPU is built into the CPU package so if anything is going to damage the iGPU, it’ll damage the CPU too and that would end the board regardless of the presence of socketed RAM/GPU.
Now I realize why DDR4L sounded weird to me, I’m used to hearing it referred to as LP(low-power)DDR4 or LPDDR4x. Both of which are soldered modules and do not come in socketed form AFAIK.
Does battery capacity not scale with size? I’m reasonably there are some large trade-offs for more energy dense batteries as well (such as shorter endurance).
That being said a large battery would of course be great!
No, LPDDR4 is a different thing. LPDDR3 coexisted with DDR3L (and apparently LPDDR1 existed and was used in the iPhone 3GS), where the latter was just DDR3 that was undervolted a little. DDR4L is technically unofficial but theoretically DDR4 at 1.05v, but otherwise the same chips as DDR4 in the same modules.
I found a Super User post where someone says they bought DDR4L 2133, so clearly it exists in some capacity. The two four answers on this Quora post also seem to agree DDR4L exists, though one is just talking about SODIMM and not specifically DDR4L.
