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FW have a 30 day money back offer. So if you decide you wish to send it back, you can and get money back.
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It would not be a competitor to FW13 but to a MacBook Pro 14 and other high performance ultrabooks
The FW13 chassis is thermally and battery limited and cannot get the most powerful cpus anymore
Also it cannot get thick displays so Fw14 could be miniled while FW13 cannot be
Yeah, we did see that so let’s wait until the date 
So when you tap the penguin it turns to you and says ‘hi’, so touch screen maybe ?
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“The industry is asking you to own nothing and be happy. Computers are no longer a bicycle for the mind. They are becoming the self-driving car that takes you directly to the destination.”
“We will always be fighting for a future where you own everything and be free”
However, Patel and Framework aren’t saying goodbye to upgradable and repairable laptops. Instead, Patel dubbed his post a manifesto and a pledge to keep fighting the good fight so that people can purchase devices that they truly own.
He ended the post by stating, “No matter how inevitable the AI-takes-all scenario may sound, as long as there is a person in the world who still wants to own their means of computation, we will be here to build the hardware that enables it. That means computers that you can own at the deepest level and do what you want with.”
I don’t get how people associate ownership with freedom. The problem with cloud-based solutions is not that you don’t own anything but that the cloud is owned.
Remember the public phone in the Matrix?
Having a commons p2p network with anonymous public devices puts an end to private computing but by obsoleting it with something better.
Defending private ownership is basically trying to freeze history to the cave man condition where we store stuff in caves. Instead we can move everything out on the square and use it rather than own it. As long as it is a commons and community-driven.
I’d love to have a backlit ThinkPad-style keyboard (with pointing stick and three buttons) on my 12. But I don’t expect it. More likely a phone, a Pi-500 style keyboard case, or maybe a dock for extension cards.
great observation though I wouldn’t know what significance the reference could be other than to matmul and AI
looking at the penguin itself might hint at some sort of LCD with local dimming?
the mention of “Dev” in particular is interesting also. I’m guessing the new products were made for software devs in mind which doesn’t shine any lights on anything specifically
whatever it is, it’s always amusing to read the guesses that seem to be what the replier wishes for rather than something based off of the actual page
How about a 14" touch screen that folds back like an FL12 …
Another possibility would be an AMD processor and backlit keyboard as upgrades for a 12.
People don’t behave like that though.
For example, there is a strong desire in many people to customize their personal belongings, usually through adornment.
Let’s say we had a world in which there were no personally-owned smartphones, only anonymous public phones like in the Matrix. I guarantee you that someone, probably a social media influencer or actor or politician or billionaire, would absolutely bend the rules to 1) own their own personal device, and 2) customize the appearance of that device, and 3) flaunt it to the whole world as an expression of how superior they are to the rest of us.
Then, of course, the masses would want to personally own their own smartphones and customize them too, and they might even break out the pitchforks and guillotines to tear down the elites that get to own individual smartphones.
I think the most likely real-world example of what I just said will be the day when the masses are required by law to surrender all personally-owned passenger vehicles and use public transit or shared self-driving cars while the elites will get to own their own personal passenger vehicles and drive around in caravans (ostensibly for security reasons, but really so they can feel superior to the peons). We absolutely will see “Children of Men”-style ambushes of these caravans.
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Setting aside analogies, think about personal computers directly.
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Personal computers are absolutely an expression of status. Apple did a great job of making the Mac a status symbol. Framework itself sells on the ability to virtue-signal about Right to Repair or environmental sustainability. LINUX is to some degree a “I’m more tech savvy than you Windows users” status-signal.
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The personal computer building community is a competitive sport. They are so competitive there is a video game called PC Building Simulator. Even if we were required by law to have generic, community-owned, indistinguishable edge computing devices, there would be hardcore PC builders vying to win their sport, possibly in secret “PC speakeasies.” It would give a new meaning to the word “LAN Party.”
Thus, I highly doubt “the end of personal computing” will arrive. The “personal” part of personal computing will not go away until we are biologically assimilated into The Borg or some hive mind.
Owning what others can’t have…that’s always been a thing since there’s greed.
Be it a hole in the wall, a rock, a spear. One would go as far as setting the world on fire to stop others from having what they can’t have.
Swimming pool, personal TV, helipad, private runway, private island. To get rid of private ownership would mean things are either state owned or a communist society.
The rich wants everything to be a subscription model, make sure value / wealth flow upwards. It’s wealth extraction by system design / policy.
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I agree, though I would add that the peons are not purely victims. They too want to be one of the rich and would behave as evilly as the rich if they got their turn. In other words, the seed of oppression/control-of-others is in every human heart.
My statement of “One would go as far as setting the world on fire to stop others from having what they can’t have.” already included that scenario.
No one is a saint.
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Exactly right. This is the “control” part of the concept of “ownership”, as expressed best in the saying, “if you don’t control it, you don’t own it.”
Aside from the status symbol/virtue-signal drives to own personal/personalized items, there is the desire to fully control such items.
I agree that the mention of “Dev” is interesting. 
Taking it to the next level, I wonder if there is an actual software component to this. I don’t know what that might be - something related to Linux and development, presumably. 
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I’d love a Framework Tablet with a detachable keyboard like an iPad Pro
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YEEAAAHHHH signed up for an account just to say THANK YOU! I recently moved to Norway and I am SO happy it’ll be possible to one day buy a framework laptop here!! 
absolute chads of the industry - keep doin what you’re doin!!!
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5-10 years of living in a subscription model world and people will be retrained. And it will be for the better in terms of resource, ecology, lifestyle and spare time to actually understand the change.
I don’t think it’s going to be as rosy as you think.
We have already seen several situations where customers were screwed over by subscriptions. The most common are: a) the service bans you but doesn’t issue a refund (happens very often in gaming), b) the service decides to shut down because it is no longer economical for them to operate, c) the service reneges on past contracts, such as promising lifetime perks or subscriptions and then removing these perks, d) the service becomes “enshittified,” such as the subscription was sold to you as a way to remove ads, but now there are ads, and then there are even more ads, e) the service gets hacked, your data is stolen, but it’s not their problem even though they didn’t spend enough money on security, f) the service locks you into their ecosystem; getting your data out is difficult or impossible, g) the service sells your data, spies on you, restricts you, or even reports you to law enforcement, etc.
Every single one of these bad things has already happened to users of one subscription service or another.
There will always be demand for personally-controlled computing just because the subscription services invariably behave against the end users’ best interests or intentions.
For example, I dislike the cloud-based accounting software (Quickbooks), so I built my own home server and put free open source accounting software on it. It’s cheaper (pay once for the hardware, then a tiny amount of electricity every month) and I get all the functionality without having to pay for higher subscription tiers. I can get my data out when I like and in the formats I like. My bank account info is in there; if it gets hacked, that’s on me, not a service that will send me to arbitration. Nobody’s selling my data or spying on my spending patterns, and so on….
I would say a lot of people already feel subscription fatigue today. It will get worse over time as the SaaS or HaaS (Hardware as a Service) companies get even more brazenly anti-consumer (such as the car companies selling subscriptions for heated seats that are already installed in your car, just disabled until you pay monthly, or Ford just getting a patent on using the camera in your car to read your lips and observe your gestures to make targeted ads on your dashboard easier).
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This gets even worse if/when the subscription services don’t have to compete with own-able ones at all anymore.
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