Can someone share a link with me to the post where he said this? I don’t have twitter/x and I need to login to search the timeline unless it’s a direct link.
TLDR: Someone that would never have bought a Framework roleplay as someone that would have bought a Framework only if Framework backs “the right” faction of a thousand of politicized Linux factions.
At least expected some vile opinions from the guy, but no, it’s tame and quaint and legally protected opinions.
No, the right move is not to play, and never support the Linux community ever again, it’s too dangerous. If Linux wants drivers, they’ll have to write them themselves.
I got a framework 13 DIY in 2022; still use it as my daily driver. Looking through my order history, with part replacements/upgrades I have spent a total of 2,800 USD with framework. Every day since purchasing, it has been the only laptop I’ve recommended to friends, family, and coworkers. I was looking forward to an upgrade to an AMD mainboard sometime next year.
I have also been employed as a ruby on rails developer since 2015, so I am very familiar with DHH. Everyone who works in rails, which includes framework, is. There is simply no reason to give money to DHH’s dotfile project. It’s gross.
I’ll no longer be purchasing from framework, nor recommending it.
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Use xcancel, you get the Twitter experience without needing to log in.
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For anyone curious about Framework’s latest sponsorship move, here it is! As far as I’m aware this is objectively a step in the right direction! Richard Hughes: "I'm also happy to announce we've got a new sponso…" - Mastodon
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It’s not, sadly. Framework has already donated to good causes. The problem is that they normalize the presence of far-right people like DHH in the Linux community by donating to Rails World too, and by aggressively promoting his closed-source-friendly, security-challenged dotfiles project. If the next several years go by and Framework doesn’t repeat their mistakes, maybe that can be said to be progress, even absent a proper apology.
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Unless you propose to gather all those somewhere and deal with them - the far-right people are still people. And if they’re not breaking the law - they should enjoy all possible social activities and the fruits of their labor and etc. Basically whatever every living human would want and be deserving of.
You’re asking is unreasonable. And we all know that if the far-right people are excluded - they’ll just make a better Linux community elsewhere. Then the whining will be about them not letting any of the extremists far-left fury Marxists on it ever again.
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That’s a good policy as written, but I think that the decision to sponsor Rails World fails to meet it, considering who that conference’s founder is. I’ve seen what passes for the kind of “community standards” that are structurally set up to be upheld by racists and transphobes of DHH’s ilk, and “appropriate” isn’t the word I’d used to describe them.
Well, perhaps it’s just a mistake. I’ll wait to see if this misguided partnership is going to be a recurring thing.
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Here is a simple example of good communication on a similar subject by LeroyMerlin (in French):
Bonjour,
Votre alerte a bien été prise en compte.
Le site mentionné a été immédiatement ajouté à notre liste de blocage publicitaire.
Nous ne cautionnons en aucun cas les propos tenus sur cette plateforme, ni les messages qu’on a pu y voir relayés.
Leroy Merlin France
In English:
Hello,
Your alert has been duly acknowledged.
The mentioned website has been immediately added to our ad blocker list.
We in no way endorse the statements made on this platform, nor the messages that have been shared there.
Leroy Merlin France
This is the kind a statement that Framework could have done really easily to calm the situation.
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I doubt they will, and even if they do, I don’t care and won’t want to join it because it will be full of the far-right.
I don’t know why you keep bringing up the law. The law is not the arbiter of morality. The law does not compel people to accept everyone in every area of their lives in any country I know of, and nor should it (please don’t bring up protected classes, those are primarily about things you can’t change about yourself). The law is utterly irrelevant here, and businesses, social groups, and individuals shouldn’t be given the false dichotomy of “round up all the people with reprehensible views, or welcome them into your community (and give them money and hardware)”. Just because they are legally allowed to act the way they do doesn’t mean they then get to be totally free of any social or financial consequences from how they act.
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Sorry, but “if someone hasn’t broken the law, they should enjoy all possible social activities” is not reasonable.
It is entirely normal and okay for communities to have social norms that frown upon behaviors that aren’t illegal (and sometimes encourage behaviors that are illegal!). “It’s not literally illegal” is an extremely low bar, and most people want better in their social interactions.
We’re saying we don’t want Framework providing resources and publicity to people who have posted racist or transphobic views.
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That really shows your hand. No, we do not “all know that”, I’d wager most of us think that’s total nonsense.
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Everyone is entitled to their legal rights. A neo-nazi is not entitled to join my hypothetical programming club. The idea that not breaking the law means everyone must be nice to you is absurd.
There is not a single community doing anything of value in the FOSS space that is far-right, to the best of my knowledge. Far-right people tend to be closed-minded, not terribly intelligent, and focused on blaming marginalized groups for their problems. They don’t make good programmers.
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Its good that you do not support extremist views, but just a reminder that criticizing someone’s programming skills based on their political beliefs is not very “open minded” either. In fact, isn’t that itself a little bit extreme thing to say ?
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No, not at all.
Anti-intellectualism is a pillar of most far-right groups these days. If someone chooses to join an anti-intellectualist movement that demonizes outsiders, it shouldn’t be surprising that they’re bad at intellectual activities requiring community cooperation from people of many different backgrounds.
In general, political beliefs are not protected characteristics, nor should they be, as they are freely chosen. Criticizing someone on the basis of their political beliefs is nothing at all like criticizing someone based on (e.g.) their skin color.
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I think that judging whether a person is a good programmer or not, should be based, first and foremost, on that persons programming skills alone.
Yes, criticizing someone’s political views is totally acceptable, but keep your focus there and be fair. If you extend the prejudice on other traits - well, this is the point where it gets murky and raises the question, if you are actually any better.
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I think that judging whether a person is a good programmer or not, should be based, first and foremost, on that persons programming skills alone.
having good social skills and organizing capability is equally as important as programming skills when the project is collaborative, like the Linux Kernel, or popular FOSS tools.
If someone’s code is spectacular but they don’t document it, don’t respect the existing codebase and style rules, don’t listen to the project lead or community feedback, are uncivil in git tickets and discussion, they should rightly have their code rejected by the community.
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I’m kind of encouraged by the fact that this thread continues on, even after so long.
Unfortunately, when meeting other Framework folks in the wild these days, this thread has now become a seemingly lasting topic of conversation - where before there was just shared enthusiasm, now there is an added flair of “yeah… bummer”.
I don’t think they realise yet how much damage they did to their reputation.
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The problem is that the people that code put priority based on their views. I wouldn’t expect a project led by people that think that “diversity is woke mind virus” to put any efforts in making their software accessible, which is very relevant when speaking about software quality.
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Speaking of which: does Omarchy ship any screen reader, or any colour management for colourblind users? Just curious, and asking in this thread because I know some of you have used it and are quite enthusiastic about.
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