Who are those we? How many are you? Why do my money have to support your political agendas?
I gave money to framework because i liked the assembly design. They delivered 100% on that without any issue.
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Oh, this is just a grifting response to a grifter.
Other than this I think you make a good point, some part I might not agree with.
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And I think they deserve 100% for the backlash they got when they decided to sponsor a far-right nut job.
Edit: I draw my line in early comment, I have no problem framework support omarchy or hyprland. I HAVE problem framework sponsors omarchy.
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You are free to vote with your dollars for what you consider important, people here who are doing the same are expressing what is it that they consider important.
Our collective money (with all our many differing priorities) is giving Framework a platform for promoting different things, from cool assembly designs, to problematically opinionated community members who donāt believe we are all deserving of the same space and care.
This conversation is our collective attempt at making visible to Framework our different priorities. I think they are definitely getting an idea of what their supporting base cares about.
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If so, I really hope it changes. IMHO, people should buy Framework for upgrade-ability, the ability to switch parts and open source culture. That does not equal "politicsā to me, we should avoid to make things that political. Granted, affiliation with DHH did it, but this thread took it much more further to the extreme.
I do not have anything more to say in this topic. But as a final answer - some of the āstandardsā were not particularly high in this thread , in fact to me, equal to far-right. Hope, these will be left behind.
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This is political. I think you may be operating under a false assumption on what political means. OSS is probably the most political thing you can be part of in the software world.
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Yeah, right to repair is a political movement against morden capitalism and consumerism.(products are disposable in nature)
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Not to me, and there are many others.
iām saying this with compassion: you are just wrong here. you are misunderstanding what this word means. some things are inherently political. itās not a value judgement.
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That is physically impossible and magical thinking. Care is expensive in UK (and everywhere) and space is limited.
Iām sorry to say this, but I donāt think the fairies at Framework can influence the politics in UK in any meaningful way.
We can disagree, thats fine. I know many that do not involve open-source with politics. You know many others , that do. There is no definitive rule, if open source is āpolitical or not.ā
Edit: And I stand for leaving politics out of it, at least extremes of this, but I am OK, if somebody else thinks differently on this.
I would say a lot of this thread is showing a good deal of tolerance.
- A bunch of people are of course coming to voice their blind support or rejection without any attempt at listening further, which is always the easiest, and doesnāt require much tolerance
- I would say the majority is engaging actively, which means they are reading through the messages of others with different views, trying to understand what they mean, and answering. I would say this is already an exercise of tolerance
- Many people here care about the great potential a company like Framework has for society, and would like to help Framework acknowledge their inevitable mistakes, even if they disagree with what Framework has up to now said/acted. A lot of people are trying to put up a case for Framework to reconsider something they see as questionable for the good of the larger FOSS community, and are voicing their concerns in the hopes that Framework will understand that members of a group who are actively trying to exclude others should not be casually invited and promoted in a place that wants to foster inclusivity. I would also say this involves a lot of tolerance.
Perhaps if you disagree with the core of the argument presented here makes it look that it is not an act of tolerance, but I invite you to keep checking the arguments people are bringing, and not focus on the most harsh expressions. At the end of the day, we are trying to create a place where we can all exist nicely, and political views centered around the idea of pushing people away is one of our main blocks for achieving any sort of basic community.
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Well, I actually quite surprised this thread can still be this tame and calm.
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Sure, I was probably being too broad and vague, let me try and expand it:
The sentence that āwe all deserve equal space and careā is just a base for easy agreement. If you think this is magical thinking just because the frame is UK, I could say the same globally. If you think this is still magical and unachievable, ok, then I get that you wonāt be trying to make it happen, but plenty of people are directly engaged with the task of extending space and care to others and it is a pretty amazing and real effort.
Community leaders pushing for excluding members of their community with the objective of putting a wall between an in-group (whatever that might be, whatever we might call white, english, or human) and an out-group (whatever that might be, whether its non white, immigrant, or sub-human), are inevitably against the idea that we should have access to space and care.
The implications of this for immigration and racism is ethnic cleansing and deportations. And depending on the level of bigotry, we can go from plain nationalism to apocalyptic racism. But maybe all this feels a bit disconnected from the fairies at Framework.
I understand how we can look at this entire thing and be like āfolks we are talking about a computer manufacturer, why are we going worldwide-geopolitics on thisā Plenty of people here are making that point.
I would say the fairies at Framework are, by engaging with a global community of developers, engaging in a global debate for how do we exist together nicely. I think all the people commenting in this thread are inevitably ending up forming part of this discussion, even if your initial point might have been āpeople I just care about my laptop being niceā
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I am by the way taking the time to do my daily posting of
hey, how is it going, are we doing fine?
does anyone know any news about Framework team having expressed views or commenting on the situation?
I cannot engage with this thread the entire day, but it is a place I keep coming back to, and keep finding amazing responses from people, so I am quite happy that this discussion is happening actually.
I hope you all have a nice weekend, Ill be back in some hours 
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Framework makes repairable laptop. It is the ONE thing that is core to their mission that I expect them to deliver, and they do.
All this discord drama and talk of supporting social causes can only damage framework mission.
Framework will be here long after this linux discord drama is long forgottenā¦ Because in a few years the social cause of flavor will change, and activists will demand supporting something else. Greta was all in on climate change, than dropped all of that and went full Palestine, then in a few years something else will happen and Greta will pivot again. Not sayng they arenāt important, but you donāt get to do progress by changing your mind every year.
@nrp Framework is and will be making inroad in promoting repirability, the ONE MISSION they devote all their energy to and where they are making a difference. Thatās the ONE THING I expect framework to keep doing.
My Framework 13 works, and I repaired it twice, and I will be upgrading the motherboard when one with a strong NPU comes out, or who kwnos, CAMM2 memory.
My screen didnāt work when arrived, but support made it work. My screen failed within warranty, and FW took care of that as well. My experience is excellent with support so far.
Itās a repairable laptop, not an indestructible laptop.
Yes, I am european and I am an immigrant in a european country, sometimes directly confronted with the nasty ends of the logic of building walls and throwing blame in immigration that could perfectly be directed towards other many problematic places of society.
I am not sure if I agree that most europeans donāt want to extend space and care to others even in the european union. But it is certainly a time where this rethoric is being used widely and with great success by powerful people with powerful backers wanting to keep their privilege and their power untouched. Plenty of vulnerable people can be made afraid of others quite easily if they are themselves in situations of stress or uncertainty.
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āHey all, I was not online when this conversation was happening but I do want to provide a response to this. Our goal is to keep improving Linux compatibility on our products. We send hardware and are starting sponsorships to organizations across the Linux ecosystem to keep making the Linux experience on Framework products better and help scale Linux adoption overall. That includes providing hardware to Fedora, Bazzite, NixOS, FreeBSD, Arch Linux, and many other distros, and sponsorships of Linux Foundation, LVFS, Hyprland, a number of Linux and open source conferences, and some additional sponsorships weāll be announcing soon. Providing hardware or sponsorship doesnāt mean that we align with all of the viewpoints or statements made by people in each organizations; it does mean that we see alignment in driving the adoption and maturity of Linux and open source software. Iām sorry I wasnāt available when this was occuring and I hope that make things a little more clear on our stance.ā
(in case no one already answered this)
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What dose this has anything to do with my point?
Edit: To my interpretation of your word, because framework is a repairable laptop so they can have lackluster quality control?
Bro, this is the least not caring about something Iāve ever seen. Take a break from your keyboard.
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