FW12 (2025) doesn't work well with Qubes

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i3-1315U intel processer and cpu, 16gb of ram, fw12 (2025)

Installed an older verison of qubes, it works perfectly fine but when you shut it down and come back its really bad for some reason

its painfully slow (1 or 3 minute delay) touchpad makes the cursor fly to the right, and the ui is buggy (doesnt appear where its supposed to)

Installed the latest version 4.3.1 on the same laptop and got the same results

none of these problems happen on the first session

works fine on system 76

someone suggested it could be phantom processes and un-synchronized LVM structures in dom0 but i dont know if its good advice or not

what do you think?

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I would be inclined to say Qubes doesn’t work well on the Framework 12, myself. It’s a nice idea for a secure operating system, but I should think it is most unlikely it gets the testing that Fedora or Ubuntu.

I seem to recall Qubes uses containers/jails for each app, and containers should be really lightweight, so I would expect it to work in theory. However you might spend more of your time debugging this than using it. Go for it if you like tinkering, but otherwise just use a more robust OS.

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qubes is good it assumes youve been hacked by defualt but i wish it assumed your broke too lol

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Well, yes - it puts a security boundary around everything, a bit like Docker or Firecracker. The idea is that a security problem in one app does not spread to another. Then rules are added to poke acceptable holes in these layers, so a text editor can see the Documents folder, etc.

So a lazy bug in your ancient music player gives root access to the music player operation and your music folder, and not the browser you use for your online banking.

But that complexity is going to add teething problems. If you are not getting it to work, consider using QEMU instead with full-fat desktops in each. It might be a bit sluggish on FW 12, but I’d be surprised if performance is completely unacceptable. If you have a decent amount of RAM, you could run two or three at the same time.

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i wold ask reddit but they think im a bot (

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Keep in mind too that the Laptop 12 is already nerfed out of the gate with the i3 processor and single channel memory running at 3200Mhz.

Now add in some power optimizations from the BIOS side of things and it starts to look like where it shines is against $350 laptops and Chromebooks.

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idk if its 100% a hardware issue becuse it works fine when first installed the problems only show up when restarted

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someone said it could be un-synchronized LVM structures in dom0 or phantom processes

another said a fresh install could have changed settings in order for it to work but after a shut down the changes are reset

dont know the solution to either

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IIRC it goes well beyond that; it spins up full on VMs for everything. As such I believe things like hardware accelerated desktops aren’t available without pci pass through because I don’t think they support Venus or DRM native context yet, which could definitely make user experience feel slow since it’s all software rendering.

But since OP says it’s fine until reboot, probably something else is going on.

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Oh yeah I agree totally it probably is not a hardware issue, just that it is already fighting an uphill battle compared to other systems.

If it changes upon reboot then something gets initialized on reboot that is changing the feel. The resultant issue could be buried deep in the kernel, a driver, some subcomponent, who knows. Get some waders on because something is lurking in the weeds!

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sudo lvremove /dev/qubes_dom0/vm-sys-usb-volatile

this command worked once but when you log back in its broken again (takes years for the terminal to open)